Happy Pride Month!

[Narthok 10416]

1 minute ago, creamynoteblock said:

As if there's any situation where u gotta practice catholicism on lotc lol

I don't play a canonist because I don't like the way that it mischaracterizes Christianity while holding itself out as Christianity with its symbols and theology. But to say that canonism has not had this be a significant element of its RP for a long time is to deny LOTC history.

[Frisket 4538]

3 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

Is there any particular reason that sexism was left off? I assume it’s just an oversight, and the server is moving in a better direction with it now, but I’d figure given some of the server’s ill-history with that it’d be a good thing to tack on

 

you beat me to it mf

[Cepheid 4304]

4 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

Is there any particular reason that sexism was left off? I assume it’s just an oversight, and the server is moving in a better direction with it now, but I’d figure given some of the server’s ill-history with that it’d be a good thing to tack on

 It was intentional, I hate women. 

 

(In all seriousness, great new addition to the server. Happy Pride Month!)

[Nectorist 12869]

Just now, Cepheid said:

 It was intentional, I hate women. 

 

(In all seriousness, great new addition to the server. Happy Pride Month!)

i was talking abt the systematic oppression i face as a man btw… im not w*ke

[Junoix 2301]

Just now, Nectorist said:

i was talking abt the systematic oppression i face as a man btw… im not w*ke

 

nooooooo

[Crevel 7557]

17 minutes ago, UnBaed said:

seems pretty easy to avoid, if you think its questionable then dont rp it - the thought of anything being questionable or stretching close to the lines should be your warning

 

People have varying ideas of what is questionable and where the boundary is and should be drawn though, and oftentimes there are some questionable racial themes on LotC that have been or can be used to make an interesting roleplay environment even if in some regard it does parallel IRL discrimination. Racial conflicts do exist. Stereotypes do exist. Some races holding a social status over others in nations do exist. Some themes are unpleasant when addressed in the real world, but this is meant to be a fantasy roleplay where oftentimes inspiration is taken from real-world events to some degree to put forward an interesting narrative. Some of the most beloved fantasy works in real life take inspiration from the unpleasantness of human nature. You can't have a "brand new creative and innovative experience" by restricting creative freedoms, it just became a censored "safe and cozy" experience that you'd find in any heavily-censored platform. I think there needs to be better care taken to try to punish roleplay that is done in a way that seems it is purposefully trying to create offence at real-world groups rather than taken inspiration from ways discrimination, segregation, etc. has been implemented throughout human history.

[SimplySeo 6999]

@Josh3738to shreds you say?

[Josh3738 3137]

7 minutes ago, Nectorist said:

Is there any particular reason that sexism was left off? I assume it’s just an oversight, and the server is moving in a better direction with it now, but I’d figure given some of the server’s ill-history with that it’d be a good thing to tack on

 

We discussed including sexism at length in drafting up this rule. The way I've tended to put it is that, of these big 4, the first 3 are fairly easily definable. You'll know it when you see it kind of thinking. The 4th, sexism, has some more nuance to it, and we wanted to take some more time to think on it and refine this with its inclusion when we're done.

[PrimnyaQuorum 3999]

Happy -phobes outing themselves post.

[Nectorist 12869]

1 minute ago, Crevel said:

 

People have varying ideas of what is questionable and where the boundary is and should be drawn though, and oftentimes there are some questionable racial themes on LotC that have been or can be used to make an interesting roleplay environment even if in some regard it does parallel IRL discrimination. Racial conflicts do exist. Stereotypes do exist. Some races holding a social status in nations do exist. Some themes are unpleasant when addressed in the real world, but this is meant to be a fantasy roleplay where oftentimes inspiration is taken from real-world events to some degree to put forward an interesting narrative. Some of the most beloved fantasy works in real life take inspiration from the unpleasantness of human nature. You can't have a "brand new creative and innovative experience" by restricting creative freedoms, it just became a censored "safe and cozy" experience that you'd find in any heavily-censored platform. I think there needs to be better care taken to try to punish roleplay that is done in a way that seems it is purposefully trying to create offence at real-world groups rather than taken inspiration from ways discrimination, segregation, etc. has been implemented throughout human history.

 

I think, in essence, it is about not being racist towards a black human character through the same lens that one would be racist to a black person irl. It’s something that’s not just obviously a reflection of irl bigotry, it’s also not at all reflected in RP development.

 

Oppression and bigotry have avenues of existing in the lore still- this rule doesn’t take that away- but it instead directs it to be grounded more in the server’s fantasy elements. Racial conflicts, stereotypes, etc, are still completely fine, staff are just asking that the demarcated lines are over fantasy races or magic types or stuff that is a reflection of the server lore detached from the real world in a way (and it’s quite frankly more interesting).

 

I’m sure people can still RP bigotry with nuance. I do on a couple of my characters (where it is portrayed to be unequivocally negative), and the reception I’ve gotten from people has been positive because the focus is on the fantasy elements, even if the logic and emotion that drives my character’s feelings are related to the wider human experience (I don’t think anyone assumes we should just strip that away wholesale).

[ClassyDryad 2367]

Administration is my friend forever now

[Phersades 1710]

15 minutes ago, Narthok said:

I don't appreciate my religion being defacto banned

Well, I think the awesome thing about LOTC is that it's a Minecraft server that you don't have to play on. As adults, the one thing people forget they're capable of is closing their laptop or deleting the server from their list. 

If your minecraft server won't let you practice your real bigotry under a Mineman god, then you are fully in your right to go practice it in real life under your real god.

[Dramatude 861]

'This guy is racist,'✍️

'This guys is transphobic,'✍️

'This guy is homophobic,'✍️

'This guy has no life'✍️

Sorry guys im just updating my list of absolute losers!

[Karina 1882]

5 minutes ago, Crevel said:

 

People have varying ideas of what is questionable and where the boundary is and should be drawn though, and oftentimes there are some questionable racial themes on LotC that have been or can be used to make an interesting roleplay environment even if in some regard it does parallel IRL discrimination. Racial conflicts do exist. Stereotypes do exist. Some races holding a social status over others in nations do exist. Some themes are unpleasant when addressed in the real world, but this is meant to be a fantasy roleplay where oftentimes inspiration is taken from real-world events to some degree to put forward an interesting narrative. Some of the most beloved fantasy works in real life take inspiration from the unpleasantness of human nature. You can't have a "brand new creative and innovative experience" by restricting creative freedoms, it just became a censored "safe and cozy" experience that you'd find in any heavily-censored platform. I think there needs to be better care taken to try to punish roleplay that is done in a way that seems it is purposefully trying to create offence at real-world groups rather than taken inspiration from ways discrimination, segregation, etc. has been implemented throughout human history.

bro i play a 'thill supremacist who is openly racist towards other elves, you can do ur racism rp u just have to not make it awful to rp with or target people oocly because of it. all this talk of restricting 'creative freedom' just sounds like buzzwords and unrealized worry. don't be mean to people ooc because of their race or orientation, don't make it the only thing ur char is about. make it make sense irp and no one is going to rly have an issue. dont parallel irl stuff to the point someone thinks u hold ooc prejudice. that's it

[Tide1 4535]

The Empire supports all manners of gay people. I love men.