Vote On The Way Combat Should Work!

[XkynarethX 109]

We aren't afraid of change, that's why there wasn't half as many shitstorms when they changed it to RP default than now. We've had about a year of default RP so when the GMs offer to change it back, we're gonna try to make that happen.

I don't remember a distinct /event/ where PvP was switched to RP. It was a process, I believe. You could almost call it... evolution.

[Cjmate 1270]

I think the current system is fine. I believe rp should be default and pvp fights should be agreed upon ooc. However! I am biased. My computer runs on like 10 fps and my w key is broken. 

[Pnoynoy 108]

Let's face it, everyone has a different opinion of what is more likely to happen in a given scenario - especially in combat.

 

Text-based combat is argued about constantly and the ban/strike reports often harbor 10+ screenshots of full chat-log emotes, where GM's are expected to read every line to decipher just what was happening, who was where, and who's at fault.

 

Players end up voiding each-others role-play, argue in local OOC and even grow resentment for one another OOC'ly.

Even with what blind said, with the stupid rule of /damage 20 i do not blame people for trying to win, since most villains do want the loot but walks away with more than what they should have. I think i mentioned this in another post, one gets robbed and killed he should perhaps give up one armor piece, the sword and a small pouch of minas. Not like i said three stacks of cobblestone, ten stacks of logs and two yummy bundles of bread. It should not work like that, that is what i call discouraging and i will sure as in the nether make sure that if someone forces me to /damage 20 see to it that the person grabs the items RPly. And yes i'm gonna sound like a coldhearted b*tch but that's just me, it is a burden for the staff, a burden they signed up for with a team of 20 ish GM's. Yes it is not fun but once again what they voluntarily signed up for, to be support.

 

Combat via text can be incredibly vivid and unique but in the end it draws a lot of romanticism toward combat and struggle when we could spend our energy having banquets, festivals, tournaments, races, dances, competitions, great hunts and more with the time spent both in these combat scenarios and arguing about them.

Well, what stops players from doing "banquets, festivals, tournaments, races, dances, competitions, great hunts" now then? This i do not fully agree with because anyone can host these things at any time and has nothing to do with fighting. Doing things depends on if the player is ready to do something about it. How easy is it really for a guy in lets say..Oren to host a tournament or a festival? Pretty easy, just make a  forum post, gather some people from TS, it all depends on you as a player. Blaming villainy for the lack of events are in my opinion..wrong. Besides, those that do combat "RP" and those that do the kinds of RP that you mentioned are mostly two different types of players. One example is Role-Players that does a lot of poetry, singing etc, i rarely notice them being serial killers or bandits, of course there are cases but i would say in general no so they do not really get bothered with by villains. One other thing is also that this is (Please correct me if i am wrong everyone) a problem for the human race, the Elves do not have this problem in their capital, the Dwarves do not have this and absolutely not the orcs with bad combat Role-play and that to me says something of where the spotlight should be directed towards.(Of course i might be wrong and i want someone to correct me if i am)

 

I like PvP because my OOC fear translates well into IC fear which is exhilarating and I see Minecraft as more of a LARP than a text-based game.

This i can agree with to an extent, but fear should be applied through other means than OOC.

 

 

Please don't hurt me native :'(

[Telanir 6975]

I don't remember a distinct /event/ where PvP was switched to RP. It was a process, I believe. You could almost call it... evolution.

 

Well, that's entirely your opinion.

[Joe_Blackman 253]

*Rolls his eyes in an exasperated fashion*

 

Alright, PvP default. If RP being default caused issues, a lot of issues, then fine. Make it PvP, we can stiiiiill sorta RP.

 

I see it would help the community's bondage (sort of), but not the server's issue with powergaming and metagaming. It sorta feels baking a cake with bad eggs, then covering it with sprinkles and bright frosting. Tasty, until you realise why there was so much frosting, to cover up all the bad eggs.

 

#BadMetaphors

[XkynarethX 109]

Well, that's entirely your opinion.

No, it is fact that there was no event such as this one that replaced default PvP with RP. (Unless I missed something, which I highly doubt)

The fact that the playerbase replaced PvP with RP slowly and without a major pole would show that there was a desire to move on, to improve. 

If anyone would like to disprove this, just link me to the pole that took place after we left Aegis that replaced default PvP with RP.

[Sorsby 123]

I don't remember a distinct /event/ where PvP was switched to RP. It was a process, I believe. You could almost call it... evolution.

 

And now after considering all the good it did for us, we're thinking about changing back... trial and improvement baby.

[Telanir 6975]

No, it is fact that there was no event such as this one that replaced default PvP with RP. (Unless I missed something, which I highly doubt)

The fact that the playerbase replaced PvP with RP slowly and without a major pole would show that there was a desire to move on, to improve. 

If anyone would like to disprove this, just link me to the pole that took place after we left Aegis that replaced default PvP with RP.

 

It is actually impossible to make a change like that without a massive post detailing it. It is too big of a change to happen to the community over a time span, it's only logical to conclude that there is a post-- And there is. Someone can go ahead and find it, but I don't feel like sifting through a years time of posts.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

No, it is fact that there was no event such as this one that replaced default PvP with RP. (Unless I missed something, which I highly doubt)

The fact that the playerbase replaced PvP with RP slowly and without a major pole would show that there was a desire to move on, to improve. 

If anyone would like to disprove this, just link me to the pole that took place after we left Aegis that replaced default PvP with RP.

 

You're so entitled and mis informed it is silly. I for one would never try so hard to change your mind. It is not worth begging you. Instead of stating a assumption and ordering someone to prove it wrong, perhaps you should re evaluate your stance ^.^

[argonian 14254]

No, it is fact that there was no event such as this one that replaced default PvP with RP. (Unless I missed something, which I highly doubt)

The fact that the playerbase replaced PvP with RP slowly and without a major pole would show that there was a desire to move on, to improve. 

If anyone would like to disprove this, just link me to the pole that took place after we left Aegis that replaced default PvP with RP.

I'd say most of the work towards RP fighting was done by the staff. And there was no poll(not pole...) because the staff didn't let us vote on rule changes and stuff back then. And there wasn't an "event" because the PVP supporters didn't cause half the amount of drama when the GMs announced that RP was becoming default.

[XkynarethX 109]

It is actually impossible to make a change like that without a massive post detailing it. It is too big of a change to happen to the community over a time span, it's only logical to conclude that there is a post-- And there is. Someone can go ahead and find it, but I don't feel like sifting through a years time of posts.

Not a post explaining it, or declaring it. A topic in which the players together decide to do RP. Just like this one. This isn't an announcement, it is a debate. 

And to Sorsby- this change is happening spontaneously due to the staff's sudden decision to change the rules. Not a gradual process by the players.

 

About my misspelling- I had no sleep tonight, so, sorry for saying pole instead of poll.

 

To Void- disproving arguments is what a debate is about. My stance is here.

No default PvP because it gives advantage to players in a better financial situation, concerning the hardware and connection. 

 

 I don't see anything that needs revaluation. I have been victim to this simple fact before. 

 

To James- Because changing from PvP to RP doesn't put you at a disadvantage. Any player that is good at PvP owes it to skill and his computer. You can win in both PvP AND RP if you have a good computer and if you have skills. I cannot, due to my bad connection and computer.

[Telanir 6975]

I'd say most of the work towards RP fighting was done by the staff. And there was no poll(not pole...) because the staff didn't let us vote on rule changes and stuff back then. And there wasn't an "event" because the PVP supporters didn't cause half the amount of drama when the GMs announced that RP was becoming default.

 

 

Not a post explaining it, or declaring it. A topic in which the players together decide to do RP. Just like this one. This isn't an announcement, it is a debate. 

And to Sorsby- this change is happening spontaneously due to the staff's sudden decision to change the rules. Not a gradual process by the players.

 

About my misspelling- I had no sleep tonight, so, sorry for saying pole instead of poll.

 

Haha, it's fine for the misspelling.

 

 

That's odd, I do remember such a huge ruckus about it, I'd only imagine there was a post. But as you say, staff did handle most of the decisions back then.

[Sorsby 123]

Not a post explaining it, or declaring it. A topic in which the players together decide to do RP. Just like this one. This isn't an announcement, it is a debate. 

And to Sorsby- this change is happening spontaneously due to the staff's sudden decision to change the rules. Not a gradual process by the players.

 

About my misspelling- I had no sleep tonight, so, sorry for saying pole instead of poll.

 

No one woke up after a nasty dream of a bad RP fight and then suddenly decided to change the rules. The staff have seen it as clear as any player (because in most cases they are players...) and they've also had enough of the shite that RP fighting unwillingly trails behind it.

 

That brings us here today, trying still to decide.

 

And if you would so kindly check my past posts you might see that I have been quite active in the promotion of PVP over the past few months, and so your wildly incorrect statements are yet again disproved, it is simply now that the silent supporters of PVP have opened up because they see their cause is supported by many (It also helps that the opposition are unable to ever form a reasonable counter argument ;p).

 

EDIT: Just to get a bit of closure, I would also kindly request that this bullshit about 'betar compooter win gaim' or 'moar monaz therefor pay to win pvp' be removed from everyone and anyone's mind. It simply bears no relevance to the bigger picture, there is no obligation for the vast majority of the servers playerbase to sacrifice their enjoyment and/or wishes because someone cannot afford a computer capable of running the game it uses as a base. You shouldn't buy a game if you can't run it to any sort of acceptable standard, it's like buying fuel for a car when you can't afford to buy a car to use it in.

[XkynarethX 109]

No one woke up after a nasty dream of a bad RP fight and then suddenly decided to change the rules. The staff have seen it as clear as any player (because in most cases they are players...) and they've also had enough of the shite that RP fighting unwillingly trails behind it.

 

That brings us here today, trying still to decide.

 

And if you would so kindly check my past posts you might see that I have been quite active in the promotion of PVP over the past few months, and so your wildly incorrect statements are yet again disproved, it is simply now that the silent supporters of PVP have opened up because they see their cause is supported by many (It also helps that the opposition are unable to ever form a reasonable counter argument ;p).

Here is my reasonable counter-argument.

No default PvP because it gives advantage to players in a better financial situation, concerning their hardware and connection. 

 

To reply to your edit- When I bought this computer, it was good enough. Also, if you don't care at all about people who CANNOT afford something- you lack proper empathy a decent human should have. You can still PvP. Just don't force it on me, because I know I will lose, and not because of RP reasons, but because of connection/computer issues that shouldn't come close to influencing RP. At least, not in a negative way.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Here is my reasonable counter-argument.

No default PvP because it gives advantage to players in a better financial situation, concerning their hardware and connection. 

 

Right. I have a mediocre computer and **** tastic internet and refuse to play on low settings so im even more screwed. I probably couldn't even hold my own in a pvp fight against some of these people anymore.

 

I still support pvp default. As has been said many times before, it isn't about your individual want of winning everything all the time, sometimes you need to give leeway and roll with the punches