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[Dry Crackers 268]

Here is my reasonable counter-argument.

No default PvP because it gives advantage to players in a better financial situation, concerning their hardware and connection. 

 

Another reasonable counter-argument:

 

Item-hungry thugs will dispense with RP entirely and force their victims to PvP so they can get their items fast and leave. 

 

Edit:

Example:

 

Ted is walking down the street.  He has just come from the mine and presumably is carrying valuables.  Five bandits/militant order members suddenly jump out of the bushes at him and demand he surrender as they have some moral objection to him or they want his things, depending on who the aggressor may be.  Either way, they want whatever valuables he is (presumably) carrying.  They go "[[PvP.]]" and Ted says something along the lines or "heck no, I want to do something unique that can't be expressed in a plugin/run away in a fun manner/climb a tree/ whatever else he wants to do. 

 

The bandits (or militant order members) go "Nope!  DENIED." and PvP Ted to death, then RP cutting off his ears or beard or whatever else their "signature" bit of violence is (not fun,) throw the body in a ditch and leave.

[Sorsby 123]

Here is my reasonable counter-argument.

No default PvP because it gives advantage to players in a better financial situation, concerning their hardware and connection. 

 

I would refer you to my hasty edit on the previous post of mine, I added that before getting a peep at this beauty.

[argonian 14254]

Not a post explaining it, or declaring it. A topic in which the players together decide to do RP. Just like this one. This isn't an announcement, it is a debate. 

And to Sorsby- this change is happening spontaneously due to the staff's sudden decision to change the rules. Not a gradual process by the players.

 

About my misspelling- I had no sleep tonight, so, sorry for saying pole instead of poll.

 

To Void- disproving arguments is what a debate is about. My stance is here.

No default PvP because it gives advantage to players in a better financial situation, concerning the hardware and connection. 

 

 I don't see anything that needs revaluation. I have been victim to this simple fact before. 

 

To James- Because changing from PvP to RP doesn't put you at a disadvantage. Any player that is good at PvP owes it to skill and his computer. You can win in both PvP AND RP if you have a good computer and if you have skills. I cannot, due to my bad connection and computer.

Actually, switching from PVP to RP did give me a disadvantage. I can't cram every word in the thesaurus into my emotes and make them last 3 lines as well as others. I also can't work out the velocity and angle and **** of my sword  as well as the guy that has used real swords and knows every type used in medieval europe(and he of course uses all this stuff in RP when his character is a freaking farmer who joined the Shields 2 days ago).

 

Anyway, how is there not being a poll to switch to RP default make the switch more of a player-driven evolutionary one? That's horrible logic. You guys get a poll that if you get more votes in, the change won't happen. We didn't. Yet there were way more pages of complaints this time then that time.

 

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/71240-rule-confirmation-rp-vs-pvp-fighting/page-1?hl=fighting <That was the switch.

 

EDIT: BTW, why haven't any of these apparently extremely poor people(that must playing Minecraft on Windows 2000 with intel graphics) who have horrible internet actually say their internet speeds? I've asked it earlier(and said my own, 1.6mb) and said my own and yet no one said their speed. Why is that? Maybe it's because most of you are lying?

Here's the site again: http://www.speedtest.net/

[Stephensj 327]

I don't know if anyone else stated this, as it would take a bit of time to read 61 pages.

 

A big reason that I think that PvP default should be implemented is because it would cut down drastically on meta and unrealistic scenarios AND make villans feared. Here is just a example.

 

RP Version: You and your white rose buddy (I don't have anything against the White Rose, btw) are travelling down the road. As you turn to head to Kingston you and your buddy are ambushed by 4 Bandits. They begin to RP attacking you and you guys begin to RP your defense. All the while you buddy sends a message to 4 white rose members telling them to come help you guys. You guys continue to defend and after a few minutes all 4 white rose members come charging in with full iron armor. The bandits have no chance and are slaughtered.

 

PVP Version: You and your buddy are ambushed by the bandits. You guys do a few RP lines and your buddy manages to send the message to the white rose members once again. But then PvP initiated and you and your friend are slaughtered. The bandits take the valuables and head off. By the time the white rose reinforcements arrive, you and your buddy are dead and the bandits have made off with the loot.

 

I'm sure everyone has had the scenario aswell where you are in the middle of a RP fight and 15 minutes into the fight, a random person comes along and joins in. It is not only very annoying, but very unlikely, since realisticly, the fight should have been long over.

 

There is just my opinion, please respond to it with atleast some reason why you do not agree.

 

EDIT: To all those people saying PvP people are ''item hungry thugs'' that is not even in the slightest true. Sure  there are a few people in it for the items, but most of us purely want PvP default for the better of the server. You can also ask if you can do the fight with the new Duel thing Telanir is adding, then you don't lose any items. If it is a group of people fighting, well then, tough ****. You decided to go wherever it was you were going and risk losing your items, so it is in no way the other party's fault.

[XkynarethX 109]

Right. I have a mediocre computer and **** tastic internet and refuse to play on low settings so im even more screwed. I probably couldn't even hold my own in a pvp fight against some of these people anymore.

 

I still support pvp default. As has been said many times before, it isn't about your individual want of winning everything all the time, sometimes you need to give leeway and roll with the punches

I do not want to win every time. In fact, I usually give the upper hand to the upper party because I am careful and afraid of powergaming. I don't want to win every time. I want to stand a chance.

 

To James- I remember saying- not a confirmation, but an instance where the playerbase together made it happen. Also, you said you cannot cram every word of your thesaurus into an emote, etc. You can learn how to do that for free. I did it. By staying on the server and learning since the day I joined. Also, following the guides on this very forum can help. The disadvantage that PvP gives me requires money to fix.

[Sorsby 123]

Another reasonable counter-argument:

 

Item-hungry thugs will dispense with RP entirely and force their victims to PvP so they can get their items fast and leave.

 

Indeed it is!

But I do believe it has been addressed already, I would also hope that it would be easy to see the solution to said problem, seeing as hunger for power and material possession is a very real and expectable thing in life and RP and therefore it has very obvious solutions of a less out-of-game nature. Would it not be expectable to react accordingly? Hire a guard, carry a sword, travel off the beaten track? This is the essence of roleplay and is what provided the majority of my fun here on this server, I think it's about time these (not calling you out here buddy, it's a general statement) self proclaimed 'good' roleplayers realised this.

[XkynarethX 109]

Actually, switching from PVP to RP did give me a disadvantage. I can't cram every word in the thesaurus into my emotes and make them last 3 lines as well as others. I also can't work out the velocity and angle and **** of my sword  as well as the guy that has used real swords and knows every type used in medieval europe(and he of course uses all this stuff in RP when his character is a freaking farmer who joined the Shields 2 days ago).

 

Anyway, how is there not being a poll to switch to RP default make the switch more of a player-driven evolutionary one? That's horrible logic. You guys get a poll that if you get more votes in, the change won't happen. We didn't. Yet there were way more pages of complaints this time then that time.

 

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/forum/index.php?/topic/71240-rule-confirmation-rp-vs-pvp-fighting/page-1?hl=fighting <That was the switch.

 

EDIT: BTW, why haven't any of these apparently extremely poor people(that must playing Minecraft on Windows 2000 with intel graphics) who have horrible internet actually say their internet speeds? I've asked it earlier(and said my own, 1.6mb) and said my own and yet no one said their speed. Why is that? Maybe it's because most of you are lying?

Here's the site again: http://www.speedtest.net/

I never said I was poor. I never knew there was a site that could test this out. I see I need to download something, and I am immediately not interested. Also, it isn't just connection. When running and hitting things alone I have 12-15 FPS. I constantly freeze. Also, why would I lie if I had good conditions to PvP? There is just no point to it. In fact, if I had good conditions, I would vote PvP, because I wouldn't have a good grip on how unfair it is to people such as myself.

To Sorsby- I saw your edit. It was trivializing and rude. If anything you should have been quiet about it. I am very civil, wouldn't you agree? Please, be that way yourself.

[Pnoynoy 108]

Indeed it is!

But I do believe it has been addressed already, I would also hope that it would be easy to see the solution to said problem, seeing as hunger for power and material possession is a very real and expectable thing in life and RP and therefore it has very obvious solutions of a less out-of-game nature. Would it not be expectable to react accordingly? Hire a guard, carry a sword, travel off the beaten track? This is the essence of roleplay and is what provided the majority of my fun here on this server, I think it's about time these (not calling you out here buddy, it's a general statement) self proclaimed 'good' roleplayers realised this.

Going to quote myself.

 

with the stupid rule of /damage 20 i do not blame people for trying to win, since most villains do want the loot but walks away with more than what they should have. I think i mentioned this in another post, one gets robbed and killed he should perhaps give up one armor piece, the sword and a small pouch of minas. Not like i said three stacks of cobblestone, ten stacks of logs and two yummy bundles of bread. It should not work like that, that is what i call discouraging and i will sure as in the nether make sure that if someone forces me to /damage 20 see to it that the person grabs the items RPly.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Just for reference guys, one of the most powerful ic characters of three seperate races was someone with shitty internet. I believe he went by the name;

 

Mogroka.

 

Yeah, that guy who didn't complain about anything? That guy who, instead of saying "I cant", simply did things. He lead the orcs. He brought the Humans from from nothing to something. He was also a badass Mori. Three races that, at the time, revolved around pvp. And he lead them.

 

If this doesn't show you always have a "Fair chance" nothing does. Don't complain, just do. Please inform me if I am mistaken about his internet, for back in Aegis I was told he was not too good at pvp due to internet.

[Dry Crackers 268]

Indeed it is!

But I do believe it has been addressed already, I would also hope that it would be easy to see the solution to said problem, seeing as hunger for power and material possession is a very real and expectable thing in life and RP and therefore it has very obvious solutions of a less out-of-game nature. Would it not be expectable to react accordingly? Hire a guard, carry a sword, travel off the beaten track? This is the essence of roleplay and is what provided the majority of my fun here on this server, I think it's about time these (not calling you out here buddy, it's a general statement) self proclaimed 'good' roleplayers realised this.

 

Precisely, my character does carry a sword and travels cross-country often.  (not that is means anything in Oren.  Dat suburbanization. . )  Am I correct in saying that you believe that because greed is an "expectable" thing in life it is justified RPly?  If that is the case, I agree very much.  However, our main objective as people playing a game is to have fun with the roleplay and provide fun to others, especially in the case of villains.  If greed is part of your character great, good for you.  I am talking about people who want items OOCly and will deny others fun to sate their OOC lust for possessions.

 

Just so you know, I very much understand they problems seemingly inherent in RP fighting and have supported an idea which would allow the injured party (non-aggressor) to decide the combat.  Just to not seem like an unreasonable zealot here.

[XkynarethX 109]

Just for reference guys, one of the most powerful ic characters of three seperate races was someone with shitty internet. I believe he went by the name;

 

Mogroka.

 

Yeah, that guy who didn't complain about anything? That guy who, instead of saying "I cant", simply did things. He lead the orcs. He brought the Humans from from nothing to something. He was also a badass Mori. Three races that, at the time, revolved around pvp. And he lead them.

 

If this doesn't show you always have a "Fair chance" nothing does. Don't complain, just do. Please inform me if I am mistaken about his internet, for back in Aegis I was told he was not too good at pvp due to internet.

Mogroka didn't do that himself. I can try. In fact, I might win sometimes. But for every victory, I would get killed 20 times over. Just because Mogroka was able to accomplish something regardless of his internet doesn't mean anyone can or should. I should NOT be expected to Rambo through bad connetion just because Mogroka did. Everybody should be given an equal chance right off the bat. And before you declare me a hypocrite because I told James I managed to get good at RP fighting- he can get good at emoting without losing anything. He can go on the forums and read guides. I would need to lose over and over just to get one meaningless victory that would probably lead to another defeat.

[LeRenardNoir 413]

Precisely, my character does carry a sword and travels cross-country often.  (not that is means anything in Oren.  Dat suburbanization. . )  Am I correct in saying that you believe that because greed is an "expectable" thing in life it is justified RPly?  If that is the case, I agree very much.  However, our main objective as people playing a game is to have fun with the roleplay and provide fun to others, especially in the case of villains.  If greed is part of your character great, good for you.  I am talking about people who want items OOCly and will deny others fun to sate their OOC lust for possessions.

 

Just so you know, I very much understand they problems seemingly inherent in RP fighting and have supported an idea which would allow the injured party (non-aggressor) to decide the combat.  Just to not seem like an unreasonable zealot here.

RP fighting does not prohibit the OOC lust for items. You can just be asked to damage 20 by the victor. For RP fighting to remain viable, the whole server would need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Half the bureaucracy we deal with on LotC stems from item hungry RP fighters who will do anything to win.

[Neri 3590]

Just for reference guys, one of the most powerful ic characters of three seperate races was someone with shitty internet. I believe he went by the name;

 

Mogroka.

 

Yeah, that guy who didn't complain about anything? That guy who, instead of saying "I cant", simply did things. He lead the orcs. He brought the Humans from from nothing to something. He was also a badass Mori. Three races that, at the time, revolved around pvp. And he lead them.

 

If this doesn't show you always have a "Fair chance" nothing does. Don't complain, just do. Please inform me if I am mistaken about his internet, for back in Aegis I was told he was not too good at pvp due to internet.

 

People would rather complain than say "I can" and do things. It's because they know if they complain, things will change to make it easier for them. However, when enough people do this, it becomes a loggerhead of clashing wishes, and we end up in this situation.

 

I don't mind RP fighting, I don't mind PVP fighting, but PVP fighting is less problematic for me, and i'd rather spend 20 seconds fighting than 2 hours, even though i'm LESS likely to win a PVP fight than a RP one. I really don't care as long as I RP and have fun.

 

This is coming from someone who plays on a 1-5fps laptop using a touchpad. You guys have no right to complain about FPS issues.

[Pnoynoy 108]

Just for reference guys, one of the most powerful ic characters of three seperate races was someone with shitty internet. I believe he went by the name;

 

Mogroka.

 

Yeah, that guy who didn't complain about anything? That guy who, instead of saying "I cant", simply did things. He lead the orcs. He brought the Humans from from nothing to something. He was also a badass Mori. Three races that, at the time, revolved around pvp. And he lead them.

 

If this doesn't show you always have a "Fair chance" nothing does. Don't complain, just do. Please inform me if I am mistaken about his internet, for back in Aegis I was told he was not too good at pvp due to internet.

How much PVP battles have he done? Please clarify this. And who cares what he did in this thread? He have nothing with this subject to do, he does not PvP, he does not do conflict RP, he did rarely PvP when he was an orc and i was there so i know. THe mori was not revolved about PvP says the me that were a Mori herself.

[V0idsoldier 1139]

Mogroka didn't do that himself. I can try. In fact, I might win sometimes. But for every victory, I would get killed 20 times over. Just because Mogroka was able to accomplish something regardless of his internet doesn't mean anyone can or should. I should NOT be expected to Rambo through bad connetion just because Mogroka did. Everybody should be given an equal chance right off the bat. And before you declare me a hypocrite because I told James I managed to get good at RP fighting- he can get good at emoting without losing anything. He can go on the forums and read guides. I would need to lose over and over just to get one meaningless victory that would probably lead to another defeat.

What?

Whatttttt?

Before he was a Admin. Before he was a badass. He was jsut a player like you and me. He, like every other person on this server, had a fair chance. If you would take a step back and look, you could see that you too could be successful like he was without being a god at pvp. I'm not even going to try anymore, if you can honestly beleive you don't have a fair chance after what I said, then you are just looking for things to complain about. /done.

Edit: Before I go. One last thing.

You people are silly. <3 have a good day!