"The High Elves committed oppression against the Wood and Dark Elves for years under the protection of the Dwed. Snow and High Elves have never had true power outside of their bending over to Dwed. No one on this world wants Snow elves, even the Dwed, but they keep them around for the handful of extra men they provide. Oren lifted the oppression wrought by the High elves in Athera, and we have only left Oren now because it is no more. Even the Northmen retracted. We paid in blood and gold and iron, but there is nothing else to do. It is senseless to kill ourselves anymore, or continue a war that will lead to a cuck like Tundrak becoming High Prince. Haelun'or bent to Oren once before, and they betrayed Oren by liquefying their King".