ChonGojDragonski

A creature whose same functions can be accomplished by a descendant is a bad one. Making these creatures playable will lead to people running around Atlas playing them as Descendants versus something that should create and drive roleplay for everyone else. It seems that people have forgotten the point of creatures. You've literally created this lore to make them as much like Descendants as you can. You admitted that the Xoatl lore was ****, IDK why you think that this lore is any different. It's not a particularly original idea, and frankly I don't like this whole mating bit as we both know what that encourages. ERP and shitty slice of life roleplay. Unique? A descendant with horns and the lower body of a goat is unique? We DO complain about those **** creatures, we want them shelved as well. Agree to disagree. Better written creatures than this have been rejected. That isn't an argument, and I'm sick of people criticizing the Orc, Human, Elf, Dwarf races. There is a reason why each of those four races are so prevalent across literature and pop-culture. They've clearly resonated and all in all, almost any culture we can think of can be associated with one of the races. Satyrs would be like Elves for example. Please stop trying to dilute the already small amount of normal descendant roleplayers with more special snowflakes. Except it really does impact how fun or meaningful roleplay is....What would be the point of roleplaying through a story if you know everything that was going to happen and what to expect? And I'll say it again, we don't have enough people playing descendant races, we don't need another reskin of them. You can accomplish anything you'd want to on a Satyr on an Elf.

Except a spell that is either overpowered or underpowered is literally bad? You said it yourself, the "only way to fix it" isn't even a fix because it'd be over powered. No I don't have suggestions, and neither does anyone else. Axe it. And I'm supposed to believe this because.......? I don't want your word, I want facts and rules mate. Show me where they can't do this? Liches can do this because they know they have Phylacteries, why can't Ascended? Except we're not discussing that??????????? Sure, until the rewrite I will continue to call that section of the lore ****. So something that would take 3 IRL days to deal with is reduced to like 30 minutes? Still a problem. And the point that Ascended destroy character development through debilitating injury and don't have to deal with injuries still remains. Except the main problem people have with the regeneration is how it functions with the soul mend feature which creates a heal that is completely overpowered. Looks like there was some miscommunication, I assumed that the raid you were referring to was the one where the group of Ascended literally abused OOC rules to avoid RP and get the PRO of his own region kicked off. Let's go back to your original point about Dynamic Roleplay. This point has nothing to do with anything that was being discussed? Just because this one situation happened to be dynamic roleplay doesn't mean that the other features in Ascended lore that literally ruin dynamic roleplay aren't ****. That cant be more false. You can refer to Mitto's post as I think he describes the sheer ridiculous history behind Ascended and their cliquishness far better then I could. I'd also like to note, my complaints regarding the actual lore of the Ascended were never answered. All very valid complaints about the Magic and everyone of them should be dealt with in full before the Magic is allowed to be Roleplayed.

Wow, art on the server that isn't anime/cartoon garbage? I'm genuinely impressed. Keep up the good work mate and if you ever decide to take Minas for your work I'd definitely be interested.

Nice job posting in a discussion thread without offering anything to the discussion. Whether or not you like Ascended is unimportant if you can't answer any of the very real complaints and criticisms regarding their lore. MFW the person who told people to ban report powergamers and not blame the Magic for it is now using powergamers as a justification for keeping a silly Magic. The point remains, Soulfire is either completely overpowered or completely underpowered. That's **** spell design and it should be removed. Monk immortality being **** doesn't give Ascended immortality an excuse to be ****? The problem with Ascended resurrection is that Ascended know they're immortal and can literally go about **** without having to worry about any of the consequences as they'll just come back to life. It gives them a way to constantly insert themselves into eventlines and story arcs for no apparent reason. As for your point regarding Ascended losing their items, I didn't hear it anywhere, I read the lore. IK, shocking anyone took the time to read the garbage, but I brought myself to do it for the good of the server. Should probably change that eh? Demonstrably false. You either don't know the lore to your own Magic or were intentionally deceitful, both are horrid. This is also powergamed extremely badly, with Ascended often healing **** that they really shouldn't. "REPORT POWERGAMING REEEE" you as an Ascended literally didn't know your own lore, how are other people supposed to??????????????? And you've somehow managed to miss the point, it isn't the Ascended that are losing out on injury Roleplay, but the people that get soul mended who are losing out on it, as well as medics and herbalists. There is no downside to soul mending BECAUSE of regeneration. You just made my point for me. There is no governing body to punish the Ascended who their healing Magic for other ****. You're right, it does ruin medic and herbalist Roleplay. GET. RID. OF. IT. This statement right here is indicative of everything that is wrong with roleplay on this server. Roleplay that doesn't go exactly peoples way is considered to be bad roleplay, or ruining roleplay. People are so focused on their own story that they forget they're on a COLLABORATIVE roleplay server. You guys want to be able to **** on ghouls whenever they try something but don't like it when they retaliate back? If you think roleplay that proposes genuine conflict and problems which require IC solutions is bad roleplay, you shouldn't be on this server. Except that's not what happened???????? You guys abused an OOC loophole claiming it was a raid to get out of any consequences that might come to the Ascended player base. ScreamingDingo/Grimreaper absolutely teared the Ascended chat a new one and was eventually banned because they were unable to deal with his 100% valid points. Stop making yourself out to be the victim here, you guys behaved in a disgusting way that completely went against the spirit of the server. Wow.....Just wow...So any roleplay that creates problems for you or your storylines is something that makes you suffer? Please think about what you just said. And what you stated is wrong. They can be "killed" for the moment, but they resurrect fine later. And once again, here is the lore stating otherwise. Your point just indicates how fragmented the Ascended lore is and how they get away with bullshit because people can't call them on it. Them leaving **** when they die isn't the bullshit, but all the other stuff is. Yes because healing potions are super widely used.... I will 100% guarantee you even the most disgusting of people will explain why someone did a **** job if the person getting criticized said, "You're right, can you explain what I did wrong and how I can improve?" Doubt that happened, and they couldn't have been that disgusting as you said they used to be your friends. But regardless, IDK, get new friends? I've never had to deal with toxic people except for those OUTSIDE of my group, so maybe you're hanging out with the wrong crowd. Doesn't change the fact that the Ascended are known for their toxicity and this is a problem that needs to be addressed. All good, same here. My bad if I come off as harsh, that's just how I debate my points. I'm glad you and others decided to post so we can get to the bottom of this.

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The Ascended community represents everything wrong with LotC. The bickering on this thread goes to show how asshurt people get over mineman RP and OOC being involved with IC. Not taking any sides, but the fact that there are sides is indicative of the problem. Ascended should be shelved on the pure basis that their community has totally failed to be anything positive to the server. HOWEVER, even if this wasn't the case, Ascended should still definitely be shelved because the Lore also happens to be ****. The entire premise of the Ascended is that they are against undead/tainted creatures. Their lore expressly states this, "When the last tainted creature lay dead, when the last fallen daemon is sealed away...(yada yada yada)....then we shall rest. Not a moment sooner." There were things to facilitate this when the Ascended were first introduced, namely Iblees. Now that we've essentially done away with a server antagonist and Undead are pretty much a nonexistent threat, Ascended are essentially pointless. How many Ascended even actively fight undead? This isn't necessarily their fault, there simply isn't enough to warrant the sheer number of Ascended we have. And even if there was, I'd make the argument that Ascended are bad for Roleplay because they inherently make some players the protagonist over others. Now, for the **** parts of the lore not accounting for the premise. The idea of regeneration is disgusting and awful. It literally takes away from dynamic roleplay that can occur as a result of IC actions which lead to the consequence of an injury. Ascended merely heal whatever wound has happened, take the wound onto themselves, and then regenerate it. It is the antithesis of what dynamic Roleplay should be. Get rid of the regeneration now. Also the fact that the flame bullshit Ascended get negates curses and other such things, once more, messing with dynamic roleplay. Also note, this is literally written into their lore, "For this reason it is said that the Ascended as a whole grow stronger witch each matured member." Who could have possibly thought that was a good idea? Ascended are also Immortal, which is ridiculous. Everyone on the server is practically immortal already with the disgusting way death is handled, but the Ascended get a literal get out of jail free card? They have no consequences to any of their actions. Also, Ascended are pretty much immune to poison (ik the rules regarding metabolism and strong potions, sitll BS). Why? Who ******* knows, just add that to the list of bullshit. Ascended are also immune to any corrupting Magics. Heaven forbid dynamic Roleplay occurs where a member of the Ascended is corrupted and the order has to deal with a moral dilemma of killing someone who literally had no choice in the matter or letting innocents suffer, or w/e else BS you want to say. Point is that it's another thing that kills dynamic Roleplay. Oh yeah, Ascended basically dissolve on death leaving behind only clothing. Nice to know that they get to keep their stuff on death too. Soulfire is a **** ability. There, I said it. "It can't go through armor though!" Name a single armor that doesn't have chinks in it...Wait, you can't. It's either too OP when fighting someone that can't resist it, or it's useless when you find that one creature that somehow can. It needs to be changed or gotten rid of. Soulfire braziers are awful too. They 100% personify the idea that Ascended don't want to deal with anything that messes with their Roleplay as they can just ignore any taint or otherwise dark magic which wants to corrupt the place they're at. Hallowed Ground is an extension of this which takes it a step further and literally doesn't allow soul-altered creatures to enter. Basically means Ascended can't be fucked with by the people that would want to **** with them. This was a rough general outline of the **** things being done with Ascended. Probably more tbh, I can't be arsed to look. I understand the Magic is being rewritten, but until it is rewritten, it should be shelved. There have been so many chances. Just because you weren't around to see them doesn't mean we need to wait for you specifically to see them get another chance and blow it off. Ignorant to assume toxicity manifests itself when having a normal conversation with someone. I've never Roleplayed with Z3mos and he's probably a nice guy, doesn't change the fact that literally almost every ascended cries and ******* about Roleplay and utilizes OOC to dodge the consequences of their IC actions. You'll see the toxicity come out whenever they start to not get their way, and that isn't inherently related to the fact that they're Ascended, but to the fact that most people who play Ascended are poor RPers who are far too attached to their mineman pixels. Except it has almost never proved to be a good role play tool since its creation? Players who abuse it are powergamers and metagamers. They'll do the same thing if you rewrite it, the problem is the players, not necessarily the lore. Though the lore is awful too. If someone does a consistently incompetent job as a staff member, they should be bullied out of the staff. Not off the server, but definitely off the staff. And don't try and twist this into a comment where I'm advocating harassment. If this person got called out for their character and was personally attacked on a consistent basis, then that's a problem. But people saying "You did a **** job" or "Get your **** together" isn't bullying, you except the criticism as a member of the staff. I've said it time and time again, the problem isn't with cliques/circlejerking, ASSUMING it is done on the basis of consequence. If you are a bad Roleplayer, you SHOULDN'T be allowed to use a Magic. That's how it works. The problem with the Ascended clique is that they choose people based on their friends and who ERPs with them the best. Again, that's like 90% of the server. The cliques have nothing to do with it. Yeah because reporting powergaming and OOC toxicity goes so well? And this is Chon talking, the person who agrees with you and actively did this knowing full well it would cost me (we know what I'm talking about rofl). I agree, you have to report it, doesn't change the fact that the Magic is absolutely atrocious at the moment and needs to be shelved until reworked. I sort of agree with this but Ascended healing is absolutely atrocious at the moment. Rewrite should have never happened tho........... Some groups more than others. Ascended has consistently had bad eggs.

Why are we going to add another playable race when we don't have enough people playing as Descendants? That question alone slaps a big fat no on this lore before I even start reading it. And even after giving it a quick read through, there isn't anything unique about this particular submission that would warrant its inclusion. This would only hurt the server, sorry.

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Well written and interesting. A lot of Roleplay can come from an entry like this, +1

Quality guide.

IK this isn't the point of the thread, but that's a poor recommendation. You said it yourself, your method requires compromise. Literally two seconds to type /roll 20, see the roll, and act accordingly. Often times after the first hit is made, the rest becomes self explanatory. Hard to swing a sword/block with an injured arm, hard to run with an injured leg, etc.

I think that a disservice was done not recommending rolls in certain situations. 90% of fights are RPed well until you get to that critical moment where one player has to arbitrarily decide whether or not they're going to lose the fight because the situation is 100% a judgement call and the outcome isn't obvious. Let's say there are two Humans, both of relatively similar build, and they are aware of each others presence with their blades out. One emotes swinging at the other. How is the other player supposed to react? IRL this **** is done in a second and is often a matter of luck. That is a situation where rolls should be utilized. There should be a rolling guide too either as a separate thread or in this one tbh. Another example is any ranged attacks. If it's at a reasonable distance, they should be rolled always, as how else are you supposed to determine it. There are many other examples, Magic being a good one too. IK you said you like to roll in certain situations, but tbh, rolling is the only way to do it correctly most times when you're faced with something that can't be logically decided. All in all, well written though.

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