An End To The Conflict

[Blundermore 2734]

"War.

It has always plagued the Descendants ever since the Mythic War of the First age. Where Men, Elves, Orcs and Dwarves were tested in the heat of battle against the maliceful might of Iblees for nearly thirty years. 

 

Our homes were ravaged, the land was torn asunder, and the great Kingdoms of Old fell into darkness. 

 

But it was not the end there, no, for in the dying light a new dawn came, on wings of Fire and Ice, with fury brighter than a thousand suns the world quaked as the great Anguels and Daemons came to our call, and threw down the terrific tyrant that was Iblees, the Dominator  into a darkness we thought he would never escape. 

 

For the first time in a long while, the land new a peace, and the filth of Iblees slowly drifted out of existence with him. 

 

But it was not so, for fate had another plan for us. Three Hundred years after the Great war Iblees found his way back into the world, and with a new found hatred for our world he sought to Dominate all within, or destroy it. 

 

The Kingdoms that rose up had naught the strength of the Kingdoms old, and slowly but surely, they were beaten down. 

With their homes lost, and their lands corrupted by the Daemonic master, the Descendants chose to flee as their champions with the Blessing of the Anguel Aeriel made one last attempt to end him once and for all. 

Recovering the ancient Axe of Krug, or the Axe of Malchediael, the patron Aengul of Courage, a Dwarf by the name Ireheart struck out at the nexus at the centre of Iblees' realm of hell-fire, attempting to destroy him forever.

But it was not to be, for the Nexus was the only thing keeping Iblees from entering our realm once more, and as the Nexus shattered, a great heaving could be heard from under Cloud Temple as the world Quaked once more. Those who watched saw the Temple blown into the skies in fiery chunks of debris as the great horned beast wreathed in taintful fire, Iblees, was reborn.  

The world started to shatter as Iblees made one final push to destroy the Descendants before they escaped, only to find his way blocked by several Anguels and the remnants of the Ascended. 

What happened to those who stayed behind, it is not known, but what we do know is that that was the end of Aegis as we knew it.

 

 

 

Beaten, battered, the races found their way to a new land, one that stemmed great hope for prosperity among the Descendants at long last. A chance to start anew, but it was not to be. 

 

War, followed us there.

Following the dispute of petty issues and the large stretches of land laid out before us the Descendants became greedy, claiming large stretches of land as fiefdoms for their own. And as a result a new feeling began to manifest among the Nation leader's and their followers. Ambition. 

Lines were slowly drawn as more and more of the land known as Asulon was cut into pieces and divided amongst the nations until there was nothing left. In their haste, the nations drew lines, and alliances were formed as rapid expansion became all out war in the land. Quiet villages were burnt to the ground, farmers lands were scorned and left in dust. A plague writhe throughout the land. 

The greedy squabbling of the Nations left little thought towards the impending threat Assaulting Asulon, and soon they paid for it, as their greed was washed away in a titanic flood the likes of which has never been seen before. 

 

At this point, you would think that the Descendants, and the leaders of these begotten nations would've learnt, unfortunately again. It was not so.

 

As soon as landfall was made in Anthos the Nations once again drew lines in the sand with nothing more than sticks and stones (as they had lost everything else already), and proceeded to pick up the same grudges they had kept alive in the old lands. And like the old lands before, it was their downfall once more. 

 

Now here we are, one hundred and nine years after the end of Aegis, all we have to show for it is grudges, the loss of two homes, the loss of all our worldly possessions twice over, and now it seems we are yet again set on the path of re-enacting this twisted play once more. what do we even still fight for? What is there left to fight for?

It seems as though the Descendants are destined to fight over cragged rock and broken twigs if this continues. Where has the prosperous days gone, why has that light we kindled so long ago been extinguished by our own darkness? 

 

Where, has peace gone?

-Extract of the Journal of Blundermore"

 

((Now before you rage at me I'd like you to take a look at these quotes and examples))

For the past few weeks I've conducted myself in an attempt to steer the community towards more peaceful rp again.

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/111269-battlefields/page-3

 

There were however very few wars or raids in the entire time aegis was around. That made wars interesting and conflict actually fun due to the rarity of it. Oh sure people talk about the unbridled freedom of aegis raiding and pvp but there was less than five conflicts in the entire time aegis was around. The rp that actually played out in aegis wasn't reliant nor did it relate to war most of the time. Now though it's just war this war that battle this nation klomp that group. The orcs of aegis probably had less actual raids than what there has been in the past three months.

I'd like to see war and conflict return to that. Rare and meaningful. War with reason, not just "because".
Nation leaders back in the day didn't jump willy nilly into wars, they were actually mature about their choices, and actually withheld the chance to jump in with personal restraint because they cared about other rp as well.
(Letd not kid ourselves here wars most of the time now don't really have any proper reasoning for happening. Really if we were to look at this logically the races would've learnt by now that fighting and lack of unity is what continues to rob them of their homes and lives. When any big threat comes along the nations are too busy fighting one another that by the time they realise what has happened it's already too late and they loose another home. It's like as if you're all playing the people who would be stupid enough to initiate operation unthinkable, the plan thought up by Winston Churchill for America and Britain to team up and immediately go to war with Russia straight after the end of the second world war to take countries like poland back from Russia. But it was abandoned due to the insanity of the idea and the fact that everyone was tired of war. After seeing your homes bombed and destroyed, landmarks ruined and entire generations of men and women obliterated in the hellfires of war who wouldn't be? Surely after so long, with the loss of our homeland to demonic entities and nightmares to the bloodshed of asulon, the world wars of anthos and yet another evil creature trying to murder us all or enslave us that the nations would be quite ready to pack it in now. What else is there to fight about? You've lost literally everything thrice over, your homes. Gone. Your families murdered and obliterated and your very world has been turned upside down. 150 odd years of carnage with little peace between the nations. Surely they must be getting tired of it all by now...)

If we can't try and achieve a balance and maturity like that again then the serious choice needs to be made about maybe cutting war out of the picture for minecraft rp instead.

 

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/111318-the-same-old-mess-a-treatise-on-war-on-lotc/page-3

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/111269-battlefields/page-3
Quoted from this thread.

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe you've had what the old saying would say; "too much of a good thing"?

Wars are fun sometimes as is conflict. But without basis, context or story your wars mean nothing. They're meaningless. Nothing more than a clicking fest for the sakes of it.

Rp is like story telling, as I'm sure you've all heard me say before, you're acting out stories on the server as they happen. Can you think of any good stories that consisted entirely of war with little actual dialogue or context put into the situation as to why it was happening?

You've all been fighting for over 150 years now ic... not only are you killing war rp as chaquery says but you're also killing rp in general now. Don't you think you should maybe put down the axe now?

 

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/111296-feedback-wood-elven-liname-gates

http://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/111143-feedback-degeneration-of-roleplay/page-3?hl=blundermore#entry1049725

 

((Look at what you are all becoming. Our server is dying a slow and painful death, War RP no longer exists practically, peaceful RP is slowly being trudged into the ground and the community as a whole is falling apart. 

Look at what war is doing to this community. Not only wars but raiding as well. Exoduses, people leaving, constant bitter disputes between the two main factions, yaddy yadda, same song and dance. 

We've spent over two IRL years  practically fighting the same war, and at a cost our server is being crushed into the ground.

An end must come to this conflict. It has gone on for far too long now.

 

By rights, the nations should be absolutely SICK of it. There's being slightly dumb and repeating mistakes and then there is being dumb for the sakes of being dumb. How do the nations even justify this to their people anymore? "Fight our wars even though you've lost everything twice over..." Yeah, no, in reality the general populace of each nation would go up to the king or Queen who said that and tell them to go stick it up their own arse. Then proceed to kick them off the throne as half the guards help them tie a hangman's knot and string the silly bugger up over the parapets. 

 

What are you actually fighting for anymore? There's nothing left to fight for or about. You're all in the same boat AGAIN for the third time in a row. It would not be RP to say that the moment they get to 4.0 they continue to try and kill each other. That's just ludicrously stupid. 

 

I am appealing to the nation leaders, as well as the staff, let the conflict end. We've had it for 109 years ic, Just let it end.))

 

((I'd ask that you read the spoiler and keep any and all comments pleasant and Civil. Commentators not being civil will be punished accordingly by the FMs.))

 

No peasant comments.

[Demotheus 650]

War is fun! Everyone likes to pointlessly slay each other for the simplest of offences. 

 

Seriously, what king other than in lotc would in their right minds waste precious life, literally throwing it at another nation because of petty reasons? 

 

None. It's not a war for conquest. They aren't trying to get land. They aren't trying to do anything purposeful at all.

 

Every one is trying to stomp everyone else out and into the dust,a nd the humans are doing a damn good job if it i might add.

 

On top of that, I've seen once peaceful races and "nations" become militant. I watched a couple druids get ready to slay some snow elves indiscriminately! Not "these snow elves here" but ANY SNOW ELVES. ELVES killing ELVES. 

 

Seriously, druids in armor was quite a sight. Along with wood elves, high elves, and dark elves. Never have I seen something liek that, nor would I have ever expected it. It's, quite honestly, complete nonsense.

 

"Abduct snow elves and dissolve them (in acid)" was something I heard. "Which snow elves?" 

 

Answer?

 

"Any."

 

Men, women, children, no matter who it was they were going to do that. I didn't bother sticking around to watch because they started talking about doing the same to my character for simply questioning their motives.

 

Like...seriously?

 

That and the humans seem to feel like they deserve to outnumber everyone on the damn server.

 

It blows my mind how 30 year old humans can so easily crush a force of potentially 300 year old dwarves and/or orcs with their pathetic skills. This Mechanical war is dumb for this reason. This means that sooner or later, assuming the server doesn't crumble,the humans WILL crush everyone.

 

Just my 2 cents in which I'll likely get flamed for at some point.

[Temp 2006]

Nah.

 

Allow players to sort their RP out themselves.

 

If we were absolutely 'SICK' of it, we wouldn't be doing it to begin with. Know why we don't have to 'justify war to our people?' They support their kings, Emperors and leaders.

Want the war to end? Make warclaims non-consensual based on leadership but instead, approved by staff after discussion with both parties. Roll back the raid rules to the original set and for the love of GOD, could third parties keep their noses out of things? Thanks.

And since we're on about Exoduses! The thing that made the 'mogmen' leave, was the excessive OOC efforts at control over RP. It murders ALL angles of dynamic RP and is terrible for the server. Instead, like I said before, let the war be ended by the players. Else things just get worse and worse when the staff intervenes.

[Blundermore 2734]

The point of my topic is not to initiate another flame war where once again both of the large warring factions come together to war it out on my post about why the other side is stupid or something like that. The point is to put a boot on it now, and for people to just chill out.

 

Also, temp. The players had Two IRL years to do that. And all it has gotten us is a divided community and an immature community. 

 

I'd ask you reply to my posts a lot less aggressively than you are right now. It is unnecessary and unprofound. Infact, aggression like that is exactly what I am talking about when I talk about the community being divided. Your bullying tactics will not silence me, so kindly stop. 

 

 

I'd like to see war and conflict return to that. Rare and meaningful. War with reason, not just "because".   

[Ibn Khaldun 7731]

War is fun! Everyone likes to pointlessly slay each other for the simplest of offences. 

 

Seriously, what king other than in lotc would in their right minds waste precious life, literally throwing it at another nation because of petty reasons? 

 

None. It's not a war for conquest. They aren't trying to get land. They aren't trying to do anything purposeful at all.

 

Every one is trying to stomp everyone else out and into the dust,a nd the humans are doing a damn good job if it i might add.

 

On top of that, I've seen once peaceful races and "nations" become militant. I watched a couple druids get ready to slay some snow elves indiscriminately! Not "these snow elves here" but ANY SNOW ELVES. ELVES killing ELVES. 

 

Seriously, druids in armor was quite a sight. Along with wood elves, high elves, and dark elves. Never have I seen something liek that, nor would I have ever expected it. It's, quite honestly, complete nonsense.

 

"Abduct snow elves and dissolve them (in acid)" was something I heard. "Which snow elves?" 

 

Answer?

 

"Any."

 

Men, women, children, no matter who it was they were going to do that. I didn't bother sticking around to watch because they started talking about doing the same to my character for simply questioning their motives.

 

Like...seriously?

 

That and the humans seem to feel like they deserve to outnumber everyone on the damn server.

 

It blows my mind how 30 year old humans can so easily crush a force of potentially 300 year old dwarves and/or orcs with their pathetic skills. This Mechanical war is dumb for this reason. This means that sooner or later, assuming the server doesn't crumble,the humans WILL crush everyone.

 

Just my 2 cents in which I'll likely get flamed for at some point.

I am going to presume the ability to thump a keyboard and try to hit the ascension of intellect possessed by Neil DeGrasse and Bill Nye must entertain you more than playing the video game.

 

I do want to do a right proper fact-check.

 

The Human-Dwarf War started when folks such as Donetian Brunswick and Theodosius Visconti were assaulted by Dwarfish Legionnaires [might I add that I was given a PvP countdown because I didnt know a porn-star.]. Between the Empire and the Kingdom of Urguan, our war is legitimate. Stop beating the sophistry drums because you aren't going to succeed. The Orcs we left alone, but it is not the human roleplayers' fault that the Orcs [perhaps before you joined them, you never know so don't go on a rant] chose to pull their tribal, primitive raids on the Empire. The Teutons, I do admit, came out of nowhere for many of us especially when we had heard jontillmon joined the military in-real-life and we figured he was booking it for wherever he would go.

 

PS: I am not flaming, better to not throw this subjective made-up verb at folks.

[Booklight12 477]

I agree with most of the points in this. But it is the simple fact that many people feel there is nothing to do as they were planning on doing most things in 4.0 but since it keeps getting pushed back more and more there is less and less to do. There isn't an antag anymore, the economy is basically crap, most people have done all the things they really can do. And most RP communities are factions that are separated with one another. Blundermore I know where you come from and I love peaceful rp as well, but when everyone else is off at war. The only real peaceful RP to do is gather a few people or go to a tavern. And after a while it just gets boring. Too much of anything gets boring after a while.

[Temp 2006]

I'd ask you reply to my posts a lot less agressively than you are right now. It is unnecessary and unprofound.

Also, temp. The players had Two IRL years to do that. And all it has gotten us is a divided community and an immature community. 

Text has no tone.

There's nothing aggressive in my post, at all. If anything, I simply disagree with the information being presented. The tone it's read in, is entirely up to the reader.

[Watyll 1102]

I am going to presume the ability to thump a keyboard and try to hit the ascension of intellect possessed by Neil DeGrasse and Bill Nye must entertain you more than playing the video game.

 

 

This is an insult, so yes, you are flaming and will be called out for it. It's not a 'made up verb' either. 

 

For once I agree with Blunder on this, I can't remember the last time the server was at peace and it's getting annoying. I would be find with it all if there was actual war rp going on, but the war doesn't seem to really affect anything. Borders aren't changed, nobody perms their characters. It's just endless raiding. Stale. 

[Blundermore 2734]

 

Text has no tone.

There's nothing aggressive in my post, at all. If anything, I simply disagree with the information being presented. The tone it's read in, is entirely up to the reader.

 

It is aggressive, and it does feel threatening to me without cause or reason past I'm saying something you don't agree with. I'd ask that you tone it down. Thankyou.

 

 

I am going to presume the ability to thump a keyboard and try to hit the ascension of intellect possessed by Neil DeGrasse and Bill Nye must entertain you more than playing the video game.

 

I do want to do a right proper fact-check.

 

The Human-Dwarf War started when folks such as Donetian Brunswick and Theodosius Visconti were assaulted by Dwarfish Legionnaires [might I add that I was given a PvP countdown because I didnt know a porn-star.]. Between the Empire and the Kingdom of Urguan, our war is legitimate. Stop beating the sophistry drums because you aren't going to succeed. The Orcs we left alone, but it is not the human roleplayers' fault that the Orcs [perhaps before you joined them, you never know so don't go on a rant] chose to pull their tribal, primitive raids on the Empire. The Teutons, I do admit, came out of nowhere for many of us especially when we had heard jontillmon joined the military in-real-life and we figured he was booking it for wherever he would go.

 

PS: I am not flaming, better to not throw this subjective made-up verb at folks.

Gaius you of all should see that consistent wars going on at the moment is making war in generally pointless farce.

 

Where is the excitement that conflict brings when it replaces the everyday RP all the time? 

[Ibn Khaldun 7731]

This is an insult, so yes, you are flaming and will be called out for it. It's not a 'made up verb' either. 

 

For once I agree with Blunder on this, I can't remember the last time the server was at peace and it's getting annoying. I would be find with it all if there was actual war rp going on, but the war doesn't seem to really affect anything. Borders aren't changed, nobody perms their characters. It's just endless raiding. Stale. 

Watyll, I prefer a hard truth over a coddling lie.

[Crayfishchris 748]

Or we could be nice to people.

[Tentoa 2001]

Honestly I don't mind the war much at all, it could add stress to RP when crossing through checkpoints so that the common clay characters have to dodge around problems and not get involved. The only problem I have with the war is basically the OOC attitudes of the parties involved. Seen a bit of flaming and immaturity but not to an immense degree. I'd just like the leaders to get together and talk about the war OOCly, lay down dates and rules to each battle so that the raids can happen wherever, but these massive battles can be scheduled ahead of time and just be more fun for all parties involved.



EDIT: I do agree with Watyll and blundermore on some aspects. If you're going to be doing war RP, Set up check points and proper borders, patrol. Make some conflict RP out of it and involve the rest of us please, rather than just throwing raids at one another. That's fine in controlled doses and its not really too disruptive, but a bit of RP provided for those not involved would be nice.

[Temp 2006]

It is aggressive, and it does feel threatening to me without cause or reason past I'm saying something you don't agree with. I'd ask that you tone it down. Thankyou.

Text simply stating that I disagree and why is 'threatening.' Ok, sure.

We've been trying Emu! Our WC efforts and battlefield placements have all been ignored and/or denied!

We've been trying to end this war for quite some time now. Sadly, WC terms just won't be accepted.

[Blundermore 2734]

 

Text simply stating that I disagree and why is 'threatening.' Ok, sure.

We've been trying Emu! Our WC efforts and battlefield placements have all been ignored and/or denied!

We've been trying to end this war for quite some time now. Sadly, WC terms just won't be accepted.

 

Wars can be ended peacefully. It's called an Armistice, and from that, a proper end of the war can be made. It's clean, it's simple, no one looses anything. 

[Watyll 1102]

Wars can be ended peacefully. It's called an Armistice, and from that, a proper end of the war can be made. It's clean, it's simple, no one looses anything. 

 

I don't think that would work in IC, is the Orener's point here.