Re: Dwarves And Magic (Ooc)

[Supremacy 3361]

I didn't determine this lore. The LT determined the lore and I told you about it.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

Alright, as I am one of the Irongut dwarves (by some extent), I will explain.

 

It has been role-played since Aegis, that dwarves have been distant from the void. The Irongut clan (well one line of it anyway) bears Aengulic blood which sort of reverses this effect allowing them to manipulate the Void. This had been considered canon for a long period of time, before the Lore Team was brought into existence. It was not declared when the Lore Team/Magic Team became a thing and someone complained about it and it was stated to be non-canon after being upheld, by the dwarven community, for the dwarven community for almost a year and a half previous.

 

Regardless of whether it is canon or non-canon (I will continue to roleplay it as canon myself), every dwarf believes that they can not use magic unless they are of the blood of Dwain. This is drilled into them from the moment they are able to comprehend words. If it is canon, then they are powergaming, and if it is non-canon, they are metagaming (and quite potentially powergaming also).

 

Every dwarven mage in history that I am aware of is of Irongut descent and it will remain that way. I, nor others in the dwarven community, will not be held responsible for the chastisement that a person who attempts to violate this will receive should they make attempt to violate it.

 

If at all possible, we would like to bring up this issue with the Lore Team so we can get this solved.

[River 555]

*Fimlin takes a bold step in saying exactly what has been said in OOC chat the last month or two*

[hellfiazz 879]

Okay, I guess I forgot it's okay to dismiss lore made by lore masters and approved by the lore team because one community says so. Snow Elves are a subrace that can vomit thahnium, Orcs can use their laser vision to melt stone, and humans can fly and are immortal.

[ski_king3 0]

Guys, the dwarves being unable to use magic thing has never been official lore, just stuff that's been passed around IC and OOC that was never actually real. Just because something is popular does not mean that a race can impose a new blessing or curse on the whole of their race, as that would be unfair for players who don't want to suddenly have an extra curse.

Supremacy didn't decide this, about a year ago this came up and the LM's and Magic Team both came forth saying that this was a farce. Perhaps Supremacy was a spokesman for both teams, but it was many of us who came to make this clarification.

If you want to impose it upon your character that you do not have the ability to use magic as a dwarf, that's fine, but to discount or ignore another dwarf's magic for this reason is powergaming and punishable.

[Supremacy 3361]

There is a very simple solution.

 

1. Say IC all dwarves who are mages IC and are "legal" in Urguan have Irongut blood.
2. Say IC any dwarf you find outside Urguan who does magic also has Irongut blood 50 trillion generations ago.

[River 555]

Okay, I guess I forgot it's okay to dismiss lore made by lore masters and approved by the lore team because one community says so. Snow Elves are a subrace that can vomit thahnium, Orcs can use their laser vision to melt stone, and humans can fly and are immortal.

 

Um... Aberak is the only one who can melt iron only by looking at it.

[Lima 774]

Supremacy, past the appeasement tactic, does that mean you endorse the concept that Irongut blood is required in a dwarf to use void magic?

[Free The Hobbits 859]

What confuses me is why this was ever actually called lore, I remember being distinctly told by the old magic team and being told only Ironguts do magic, it's not like it was just created over night and honestly, what does it actually affect the lore team at all? Let the Dwarves have their own magic and just let it go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk

[Merkaken 516]

It seems rather silly to say "Either you have Irongut blood in you or no magic, deal with it".

[ski_king3 0]

My phone refuses to do quotes, so I'll just do it this way

@Lima: he's saying it's easy to rationalize it in RP

@Dova: because there were a number of dwarves who were wanting to learn magic that other dwarves were getting mad at and saying they couldn't. To say that all dwarves want this silly extra curse and blessing is very false, and from what I saw on the MAT, not at all representative of all dwarves. To impose something on an entire race because the leaders of said race want it would be pretty uncool, don't you think?

[Lima 774]

Well, it has been roleplayed forever Soresan, its part of their clan identity. They can yet again, just say their great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was a Irongut, which justifies their use of magic.

[hellfiazz 879]

The only thing anyone should need to justify their use of magic is having a teacher and being taught it if it's guild-locked, and if it's not then them handling the magic well. 

[SodaiKamikaze 652]

I could honestly give less of a **** about this entire topic. I mean, think about it, how many dwarves even use magic in the first place? I am pretty sure I could count the amount on my fingertips. There isnt a need to have this whole "Oh, only ironguts can use magicks" thing on the forums, since if they join a clan and want to use magic, they would just say they were a bastard of an Irongut while still being in that clan!

Along with the fact that it looks childish as hell to go on raging about having our lore "sodomized" by High Elves and whatnot. Lets just click close on the damned rage train tab,open up that minecraft.jar, and get back to leveling those skillz.

[Nefarious Aus Shitpost 891]

My phone refuses to do quotes, so I'll just do it this way

@Lima: he's saying it's easy to rationalize it in RP

@Dova: because there were a number of dwarves who were wanting to learn magic that other dwarves were getting mad at and saying they couldn't. To say that all dwarves want this silly extra curse and blessing is very false, and from what I saw on the MAT, not at all representative of all dwarves. To impose something on an entire race because the leaders of said race want it would be pretty uncool, don't you think?

 

The majority of the dwarves attempting to "impose" this curse/blessing on the dwarves are predominately the remains original dwarves population from Aegis who lived with and used this lore, where it was passed on to most of the dwarves we have now.

 

The ones dissenting either obtained magic after magic restrictions were dropped with the end of the Magic team OR had no intention of ever actually roleplaying with the wider dwarven community and hence to umbrage to the fact we were 'infringing on their rights' (when they can just as easily call their character a human and no one would bat an eye, because that is basically what they are). This has been an issue for a long time and it should have been cleaned up then and there, rather then left to fester and become more difficult to sow up.

 

Not to mention, Ambrose (if I remember correctly) fully endorsed this when he was still on the magic team.

 

As for saying that "those people are Ironguts from way back" just consider for one what I mentioned about them having no intention to integrate with dwarven society: we do not want those people associated with our clan because of the completely out of the blue in character repercussions of being associated by blood with a band of traitors and anarchists because a bunch of people in a team made a decision a long while ago which was blatantly against the majority of the dwarven playerbase (you know, the ones being affected by said decision).