Censorship.

[_pr0fit 3084]

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My stuff disappears all the time whether its against the rules or not. Honestly I feel like there is someone out to get me or something.

[Mouse 324]

My stuff disappears all the time whether its against the rules or not. Honestly I feel like there is someone out to get me or something.

 

Status' have only been back for a short time. Though i'm sure if they were removed there was a reason. I understand it would have been better if a PM was sent to you so that you could be better informed. Though I still highly doubt anyone is holding a grudge on you.

[Narthok 10416]

Status' have only been back for a short time. Though i'm sure if they were removed there was a reason. I understand it would have been better if a PM was sent to you so that you could be better informed. Though I still highly doubt anyone is holding a grudge on you.

 

I've had several statuses and forum posts deleted recently without a pm relating as to the reason for the removal. This all took place after the subsequent unlocking of statuses. 

[Stag 3230]

I've had several statuses and forum posts deleted recently without a pm relating as to the reason for the removal. This all took place after the subsequent unlocking of statuses. 

 

This is due to the flamey nature of those statuses. Nothing more to be said there.

[Mouse 324]

I've had several statuses and forum posts deleted recently without a pm relating as to the reason for the removal. This all took place after the subsequent unlocking of statuses. 

 

Like I said. PM's should be sent out. And looking at the feedback given it's clear that this isn't happening when it really should be. So as stated before, we'll make sure that with every locked thread, removed or locked status, the OP is PM'd appropriately with reason. In saying this, many status' are often removed without a PM because the reasoning has been given through the warning system, or the content of the thread/status was blatantly subject to be locked or hidden in the first place.

[Narthok 10416]

This is due to the flamey nature of those statuses. Nothing more to be said there.

 

Could you perhaps provide some evidence of flamey statuses that comply with a widely accepted definition of flame? Here lets use this one

And incase you don't understand the word vitriolic 

[Sporadic 2844]

Statuses were returned to the general public under the presupposition that the toxic statuses would need to be pruned out far more quickly and severely. There was some agreement that mods should simply 'handle trolls' more effectively instead of disabling the feature for everyone just because of a few bad apples.

 

Please focus more on whether your status update is meaningful and friendly rather than whether or not you can get away with it.

[Kickstarted and Running 965]

Listen... Just talk before you act. If it's a pugsy then you obviously don't need to talk to them, but if it's someone being butthurt figure out why they're mad and maybe give them like a day long break to summer down.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

In regards to my situation, the status originally posted was - in my opinion - perfectly valid. The others afterward, not so much, I admit I was having a little fun.

 

 

This was the original status, for those wondering. It was in regards to a thread of mine being quietly locked, and then not so quietly archived. While it was archived, it received five more +1s, indicating that while people agreed with it enough to bother +1ing it, they were unable to respond, add criticism, further feedback or their view contradicting me otherwise. This was further demonstrated when AllenTheGreat brought up a few valid points in that status update before it was deleted.

 

The Undead plugin's balance is something I feel very strongly about, to me it just seems like Harbinger 2.0 and I consider anything that has the capacity to have an offensive force that's substantially smaller than the defending force win - with acceptable losses as well, to be extremely over powered. Circumstances aside, enabling a small-ish group of players to prevail under those odds is simply unacceptable. At that stage you have to ask, who are the Undead really there for? The server's general playerbase, or the people playing alongside or as Undead. A majority of people were quite miffed today, myself included, moving on however now that we have backstory out of the way.

 

Anyways, what originally occurred was a lack of communication. My thread was locked, that was receiving further support, promises to reply in length eventually, and it had posts to make replies to. For instance, I was not aware that the fireball damage that Kowaman referred to in his original patch notes, was temporary damage. We just finished repairing the city of Annil'sul after a week of gathering supplies and steadily rebuilding. Guess what the damage came from? Undead event. Seeing Undead were able to do additional damage with fireballs had me a bit worried. I couldn't respond to Kowaman and acknowledge my mistake, because the thread got locked. I couldn't communicate with him. The ones that locked the thread didn't bother communicating, at all. I didn't know who it was, and was a little annoyed that instead of locking the thread, I was told to PM mods/coders. There are a few reasons I insisted on making a public thread, namely among them though is because I felt this plugin is a server-wide issue, that requires a server-wide view of things. Not simply one player that is expressing his concerns privately, likely to fall on deaf ears in turn.

 

So moving onto the status updates. After all this - my status update gets deleted. Again, no communication, nothing.

 

 

 

There were points where my status wasn't even relevant any further to the original topic. It was a screenshot of my last status, with a request not to delete it. Don't feed the troll. Regardless however, it was harmless. I wasn't setting my profile to anything portraying Nazism, I wasn't posting allahu akbar as a status, I wasn't posting screamer links or gorey images or whatever else.

 

I was saying, don't delete this status. With an image of my previously deleted status, containing a link to an image of the deleted status before that.

 

I also received three warning points, Heerozero did send me a message, after the warnings.

 

The message.

 

 

The actual warning notice.

 

 

Now, here is the question. Does the staff consider toxicity to be genuine undesirable behavior, or simply questioning their decisions? Naturally my perspective is a little skewed considering the fact that I obviously think there are valid points to my actions, but I'm being serious here.

 

Does the staff think they should genuinely be groveled at like internet gods? Can they take a light jab without responding with a kick in the teeth? Now, there's a point to the following.

 

We spent two to three days of solid work repairing mod damage to our city, multiple people pooling in tons of resources and time. Most of our work was done the day before the rollback, in fact, we were nearly done with the entire city. Then a staff member messed up and rolled back the entire server. Certain areas of the map were repaired in some specific way to their original state, apparently, but our city - and all our work - was set back by about 24 hours. On top of that, our chests were up to date. So we had a lot of repairs to make and not any resources left at the time.

 

I spent a total of ten hours waiting, off and on with little 30 minutes break in between, for a modreq to be answered. My modreq was 'completed' twice in that tiny, tiny window I was offline. Finally my third modreq was answered, and the situation was in a way solved. So we spent several days reversing staff damage to our city, only to have our final push on the last day get reversed because a staff member messed up, and then I had to wait ten hours to get some sort of intervention to repair the city - again.

 

This was after I attended a battle to witness 30+ players get decimated because someone got hit with miasma 20 blocks down the hall, ahead of us, and lose a battle to a handful of players because they have a substantially powerful and inadequately tested magic plugin - tested being ensuring it's balanced, or just not glitchy. We haven't been on this map a long time, by most standards this is a super early release for an antag, there really wasn't any rush to get it, or its plugins out the door.

 

So I obviously know there is staff present because they're archiving my feedback threads and deleting my statuses. I even got two warning points from Dizzy after Heero, so I know there was a GM actively online.

 

However I'm waiting ten hours to get rollback damage to a capital city of a nation reversed in turn. Respect needs to go two ways here.

 

Now, the main point to all this is, communication. Players and staff need to communicate... Better. Staff keeps players informed about their many, many decisions and changes. Players tell them if they like them, or don't like them.

 

The secondary point to this however, is accountability. I am 30% on the way to getting banned from forums and IG because I asked people to not delete my status, after originally asking them to unlock my thread.

 

Compare that to rolling back an entire server by 24 hours, forcing down time for several hours and even the original mess up which was spawning an island's worth of purple glass.

 

It seems a bit imbalanced. We shouldn't need to be worrying about requests getting deleted in a community based environment, censorship in such a frivolous way after all the stuff I've seen on the forums before hand, while those moderating us are the ones literally bringing down the server - downtime.

[Bircalin 332]

Hey, Wardog.

GMT Police over here.
Before I say anything, forgive me if I appear clueless to the topic at-hand, I felt it was more important to get a message out before more responses come in after reading 5 pages.

Personally, so long as someone does not make it blindingly clear that they are without reason as some have been recently, I know that I will sit down and try to level with players about topics. Personally, I don't agree with how things were handled regarding your situation. Given, I was asleep throughout the debacle, I still feel at the time that had there been discussion in the FM chat about it (which there was not, to my knowledge) then this would not have started. As I can promise you if there are any, it is a small few that would remove that original status. There is little I can whittle the subject down to other than a mistake on whomever's part that removed it. Unfortunately the whole result is something I think will take me all of this morning to research and sift through so I can't quite comment on that as of now.

If your original status got you a warning point and that alone, then I'll be happy to remove that. If not - dandy. Hopefully this was of some insight to you, if not, feel free to send myself or another FM a PM and there's nothing stopping us talking about it more (not to say I'm not happy to talk about it here)

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Thanks Birc,

 

My original status was not the reason for the warning point, at least I don't think it was. I hope I didn't construe it that way either, apologies if I did.

 

It was self-inflicted, naturally I was surprised to have been given the warning points, but it wasn't like I was a victim. Just maybe a slight overreaction on the individuals' part, among the staff.

 

My main issues were the fact that people were harping on me (I'm not sure if that's even accurate, considering they didn't even say anything for a while there) about making statuses about not deleting statuses, while I was in the process of waiting several hours for a modreq -regarding repairing the staff mess up with the rollback- to be legitimately completed and having feedback threads wordlessly locked and archived.

[IrishPerson 693]

God forbid status' being deleted on the forums! This is censorship, down with the admins!

 

It's just a bloody status update or a few topics being locked. What's the big deal? Did your life depend on the changing of a minecraft plugin through public opinion? I certainly hope not. Just message the creators if it matters to you that much. No need for topics upon topics of feedback nor topics upon topics of how some people are simply removing status updates. 

 

You want something changed? PM the tech/GM/Admin who is in charge of that, be responsible and reasonable in said message. Otherwise play on the server for what you signed up for roleplay. Not moaning about this that and the other on the forums. Just my two cents. 

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

I'm not sure anyone in this thread has spoken in the manner of your introductory line, actually.

 

The topic being locked was in regards to addressing my own and others' concerns about the Undead's capabilities after they had won a rather critical, and more importantly well populated battle. Some players claim to have never have even seen an Undead during the event, and yet they died due to their magic. It's rather crucial considering it's going to effect essentially every player's experience on the server and whether or not that experience is positive or negative depends on the mechanical applications at their disposal as well. If they could not win with a group of 40 players, why should they even bother from this point on?

 

Topics are necessary because the public, community based eye is actually somewhat safer or more effective for the average player. Public opinion is gathered and at that stage it's permanently there on the forums, updated time and time again as new input is added on. It's not going to get lost in someone's inbox.

 

What do you think I was making a feedback thread for if I had not first role-played before on the server, as well?

 

Multiple parties have been received new information with this thread, it has served a purpose and is continuing to do so. There is a need for threads like these, on the contrary.

[Destroyer_Bravo 1054]

Warns come with a write up as to why you got the warn.

At least the ones zarsies wrote.

crayfish has a 2 point warn with no comment on my account, lol.

[Cappy 1599]

Warns come with a write up as to why you got the warn.

At least the ones zarsies wrote.

crayfish has a 2 point warn with no comment on my account, lol.

http://gyazo.com/843e667fea6e2289132b8a23a384103c

This one?