Gizzy Gazza Here!

[ACU20 567]

22 minutes ago, Wendigo said:

No need to apologize, if anything the Lotc community should be apologizing for how immature we were. Thank you for being understanding and not lashing out, a lot of us love this server and put a lot of our time into it. We're a pretty small tight knit community!

 

I do not like how the staff are blaming the playerbase for it's immaturity when it was the staff who actually failed to give us the proper information and guidelines of what to do, you instead resorted to threats of bans and disrespected the rules which you are responsible for upholding as staff.

[Jachnun 566]

2 minutes ago, ACU20 said:

 

I do not like how the staff are blaming the playerbase for it's immaturity when it was the staff who actually failed to give us the proper information and guidelines of what to do, you instead resorted to threats of bans and disrespected the rules which you are responsible for upholding as staff.

We were extremely immature to say the least. Blame the staff for poorly handeling the situation for the bans and what not, but we responded like children crying over special treatment, etc. 

[Sky 0]

Read this in a neutral or happy tone, I am not being mean. Grr.

 

Gizz, may I call you Gizz? Well, Gizz looking through your channel and skimming through various videos (most importantly the roleplay series one) I have learned a couple things, first of all that I don't fit into the niche audience that this falls into and secondly that the roleplay in your videos are far from what LotC does. Gizz, allow me to explain.

 

Your videos are heavily scripted with either clear cut punch-lines to jokes or off the cuff humour, whereas Lord of the Craft tries to pride itself off of dynamic and flowing roleplay experiences. Then your series has placeholders to new age sort of jokes as well as modern culture references, whereas Lord of the Craft is a fantasy minecraft server that heavily rotates around it's already established lore. 

 

Most of what people are worried about is having people hopping on, hoping for GrapexLemonadestand-esque roleplay.

 

 

 

[AGP 3169]

Just now, Jachnun said:

We were extremely immature to say the least. Blame the staff for poorly handeling the situation for the bans and what not, but we responded like children crying over special treatment, etc. 

While true, I've found that this is generally the only way the community can actually affect change. Kind of sad really.

[Jistuma 1996]

This will be my first comment on this whole deal, and I will state my thoughts on it.

 

I don't believe hardly any LOTCers are angry or annoyed at you specifically. They're annoyed at the administration, and at how everything was handled.

 

You just have to imagine how it went and you will understand the thoughts of the players:

• In one announcement, it was said that youtubers (unspecific) would maybe start doing videos about LOTC.
• Someone on the server for 1 week was given an important position because he knows the youtubers.
• Then we ask him questions that he responds vaguely or not at all.
• Then we find out he donated a lot of money to the server, even though he only plays on it for a week (though he says he played in Aegis, that's pretty much the same as saying he applied only now. Server is completely different.)
• Then the youtubers' names were releaced, and players didn't like what the youtubers' target audience was.
• Then the youtubers (you and your partner) were whitelisted, without an application, and with rulebreaking skins.
• Then the players around you, many which only wanted to roleplay and had no idea who you were, others that were only trying to help tell you that having a duck skin was against the rules, were banned.
• And this was done without Telanir and Tythus and whatever else involved thinking ahead, without giving ANY answer, ANY post that talked about the concerns of the players, nor without ANY thought put into how they were doing it.

 

So pretty much:

• Players think Scene was giving power because he gave Tythus money;
• Players think they were being ignored by the staff;
• Players were banned for doing nothing wrong and without any warning (actually an important thing on LOTC);
• Players know you're getting special privilege, and they don't like that.
• And the least, players think your target audience will be more work than payout.

 

Players are angry at the staff, not you. If the staff communicated right, almost no drama would have happened.

[TeaLulu 1783]

What we really needed and still need is understanding and communication from our own staff, specifically Telanir/Tythus.

 

Do I have some issues with you Gizzy? Yes. Obviously you knew people were putting a lot of effort into creating a roleplay scenario for you and you and your friend showed up as a duck and hitler, which show you don't really understand the server we have here. If you had known it was mandatory you would have changed? That leads back to our own staff and the issues we currently have with them, that is:

 

1) Special treatment; You did not have to undergo a whitelist app, and I can understand that. But the staff should have made you adhere to the same rules about skins and roleplay as the rest of us.

2) Staff behavior and more special treatment; People were banned for going anywhere near you, roleplaying with you, etc.

3) The lack of communication that started this mess; Tythus/Telanir failed to communicate with the rest of staff and the playerbase about what was going on. Other ADMINS didn't even know.

4) Misrepresentation of our server; We are not the same type of roleplay you feature on your youtube channel. While I know you have limited time, I think the entirety of the server would be MUCH happier if you made a video that actually accurately represented us and didn't involve staff catering to and babysitting you.

 

Do you think you couldn't record the server and represent it properly without staff intervention due to the mass amounts of PMs and attention? (That wouldn't have likely happened, by the way, if the situation had been better handled by Tythus/Telanir; more communication, less secrets, making Scene21 actually APPLY for a staff role which is what he has, regardless of pex.)

 

I will literally buy the both of you new Minecraft accounts, work with some contacts of mine to make you nice skins, and help you both create basic characters to work with, and write your whitelist apps myself, with your approval for submission, so you can fly under the radar and see and represent the server as it actually is, if you want to actually represent us as we are and not how the staff wants you to via their pandering.

 

I apologize for any PMs you have received or possible harassment; That is from a minority few. The majority of us who are upset are upset with our own staff, specifically Tythus/Telanir and anyone else who knew about this and failed to communicate it, which currently looks like 501.

[Wendigo 786]

11 minutes ago, ACU20 said:

 

I do not like how the staff are blaming the playerbase for it's immaturity when it was the staff who actually failed to give us the proper information and guidelines of what to do, you instead resorted to threats of bans and disrespected the rules which you are responsible for upholding as staff.

Just like the rest of everyone, we were informed just as much as you which amounts to nil. You also have to remember the player base includes the staff, we are simply volunteers. 

[TeaLulu 1783]

4 minutes ago, Jachnun said:

We were extremely immature to say the least. Blame the staff for poorly handeling the situation for the bans and what not, but we responded like children crying over special treatment, etc. 

While many people did react in a negative fashion by spamming the status updates about the duck/hitler skins,

 

the majority of complaints about the staff, the special treatment, the lack of communication, etc, was handled in a few well-written feedback threads in a professional and courteous manner.

 

Do not demean the entirety of the playerbase by saying we were crying like children when genuinely there is something wrong with this entire situation. You are only justifying Telanir and Tythus' complete lack of communication, lack of response, and the fact they have yet and probably never will admit they did something wrong.

[Pandan 1452]

To clarify, as I'm sure Gazza here would be able to confirm.

 

The staff had very little warning also, we were told with about twelve hours to spare and I myself didn't know till about six before. This was an opportunity as a team we wished to jump upon, unfortunately due to this lacking luxury of time we were not able to plan better. Nevertheless due to the large effort placed by freema (who didn't sleep to get this done) we managed to get something together, and it went very well.. Minus the initial issues, which were spawned from giving the duo a real sense of LOTC rather than just a scripted event by itself.

 

Could it have been done better? Most certainly yes. However disregarding the luxury of time we managed to do something well, that hopefully will be fruitful within our efforts to better the community. 

[Archbishop 1784]

If you we're in the Teamspeak last night, Tehlulu you would have heard Telanir saying and talking about lack of communication and how they we're wrong.

[AGP 3169]

2 minutes ago, Adam_barnett said:

If you we're in the Teamspeak last night, Tehlulu you would have heard Telanir saying and talking about lack of communication and how they we're wrong.

You shouldn't have to be in Teamspeak at a specific time to hear this. There should be an official statement post or else it might as well be hearsay.

[TeaLulu 1783]

9 minutes ago, Adam_barnett said:

If you we're in the Teamspeak last night, Tehlulu you would have heard Telanir saying and talking about lack of communication and how they we're wrong.

Not everyone is in TS 24/7 and I suggest he addresses it as per standard, on the forums, and does something to correct the issue.

 

We should not be recreating the media team after staff demolished it without actually ADVERTISING the fact that you could, in fact, become a part of it! (if you have $500+ to spare, apparently) and without some official process for becoming a part of it, just like every other team. AKA, an application.

 

We also deserve some assurance this is not going to happen again.

[Jonificus 2763]

Yeah there's no need to apologize, we're not upset at you and your friend, it's more about the higher uppers in the staff hierarchy. The relations and communications between the red tags (admins) and us players has never really been all that good in my opinion except from a good few who had a decent record before having to step down for personal reasons, and the recent events surely proved it. The duck skin ordeal became a big deal as we were told by higher uppers and Scene21 that the youtubers wouldn't be getting any special treatment.

 

It seems like the """threat""" of your playerbase (which I'll now admit is really harmless seeing as my relatives in your main demographic's age group thought the server was as fun as a tumbleweed) won't really be an issue either way as the Application Team won't lower their standards or do anything drastic to manage the potentially increased flow of applications (from what I've been told anyways), and it would appear that the AT are even implementing my old idea of an age limit so there's that!

 

I appreciate your sincere post and I'm sure the rest of the community do as well. If you like the server feel free to join in on the fun! Although I can understand if you wouldn't considering how quickly we gathered our pitchforks and torches, our community is.. Shall we say.. Conservative. We're a decent bunch once you get through the shell, a diverse playerbase with something for pretty much everyone in it.

 

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Oh and eh.. I wouldn't mind you posting the video, I'm genuinely interested in seeing the end result and tbh I've subbed so I can see whenever it does come out :-DDD

https://gyazo.com/ea8f03679a5f5cf6f12f17ffdf53748d

 

[Samoblivion 532]

Hey there. I was one of the people doing some of the flaming. I didn't spam you, but I was part of the duck protest at spawn. In hindsight, this whole thing was an overreaction on our part. Our feeling of embitterment toward our administration was unfairly projected onto you. You seem like an okay guy if I'm honest. Since others have provided their feelings in this format I'll carry on:

 

• The main issue was with the administration's handling of this. From Scene21's very quick rise to a position of prominence, to the general ignorance and subsequent banning of quite a few people during your filming. It's brought to the surface issues that have been welling up in LotC for a while and are not your fault.

 

• A lot of people don't have an issue with you, rather the demographic you cater to. Nothing wrong with that demographic, it's Minecraft's main one and certainly the one to play to if you're trying to make money as a youtuber, which no-one would begrudge you. But as others have mentioned, that demographic is not the main demographic of lotc. People worry about the quality of roleplay declining as a result of younger or more immature players joining us, or players joining solely thinking they'll be hanging with you and being disappointed and raging in OOC. Again, not wholly your fault.

 

• Regarding the the skin issue - this is a sticking point. It could be argued that Cib's duck man was an event creature, it's been done before. It's just unfortunate that this played into the perception that arriving youtubers would be given special dispensation to do whatever they liked, but I understand if the duck is part of Cib's brand. Something can likely be worked out.

 

In short I would be in favour of the video going up. Why not? I'm curious to see how it'll turn out. One video isn't going to kill the server, despite what I and others were saying yesterday. I apologise for my part in the hostilities, you've done nothing to warrant it.

 

However, as an aside I would invite you to have the normal LotC player experience. Try it on an anonymous account. Apply, make a character, experience RP without having to make a video from it, to get a taste of what it's like. Or potentially try a video series based on your rp as a normal player, as other youtubers on LotC have done in the past. Regardless, sorry again for flaming and have a pleasant stay.

[lemontide331 1615]

27 minutes ago, ˢᵏʸ said:

Read this in a neutral or happy tone, I am not being mean. Grr.

 

Gizz, may I call you Gizz? Well, Gizz looking through your channel and skimming through various videos (most importantly the roleplay series one) I have learned a couple things, first of all that I don't fit into the niche audience that this falls into and secondly that the roleplay in your videos are far from what LotC does. Gizz, allow me to explain.

 

Your videos are heavily scripted with either clear cut punch-lines to jokes or off the cuff humour, whereas Lord of the Craft tries to pride itself off of dynamic and flowing roleplay experiences. Then your series has placeholders to new age sort of jokes as well as modern culture references, whereas Lord of the Craft is a fantasy minecraft server that heavily rotates around it's already established lore. 

 

 

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Same with 90% of other big utubers who do minecraft... every1 here seems to have the mindset that minecraft is full of 15+ mature people bcos of how cringe tier lotc is and has been. pls learn to understand that minecraft is not a game made for mature ppl its gunna be way 2 hard tto find a mc utuber that has a lot of subs with a mature fan base or w.e so pls stop complain and b happy he do this xD. 

 

very happy about u comin garry i cant wait to meet new ppl to rp with woo :). 

do u use hltv btw.?