The Future Of The Gods

[Jistuma 1996]

I would say never to place a limit on gods, and well... they aren't really gods, more like deities, some more powerful than others.

[cruzazul 2815]

I'd like to go with two. That is something that could be very interesting if worked and planned out right.

[Fredfort (jens6851) 283]

If we take a look at the real world, we do not truly know if gods exist or not.

It is something we choose to believe in a or not.

With this said:

Everything could be 100% cold fact, but today have no proof of it to be real.

Or everything is a good story someone came up with thousands of years ago.

Looking at option one I think that would be the best approach.

This would allow people to create whatever belief they wants to and at the same time let them think it is real.

If the realm of 'LotC' had one TRUE god.

Why should people even think about creating a new religion?

If they knew that the one was 100% true? And if they did what that religion demanded, they would fly to heaven or whatever it now is going to be.

If we want conflict between relgions or seeing new intresting religions pop up.

We should surely have it as a myth.

It could be real, it could not.

This way new religions can appear...

And with that, roleplay.

:)

Option 2. Its too late to use option 1.

And naah. It's never to late.

Knowledge have been lost, and the new generation doesn't believe the elder.

The Elders slowly die.. And soon, we just have alot of books and paintings describing only'stories.'

[Jistuma 1996]

The fact that if you praise a god the right way you receive magic powers (clerics) is proof that those gods exist. Now, being many gods, means people can decide which is their own, and call others whatever the hell they want. All the elves older than 150 saw the destruction of Aegis, all dwarves as well, and even all the weird half elf humans older than that have seen it. Every character in LOTC should know that gods exist, but their choice on who to worship, even if none, still exists.

Gods in LOTC can not be all myths, even if some are.

[Lago 2572]

The fact that if you praise a god the right way you receive magic powers (clerics) is proof that those gods exist.

If people are literally praising a god and getting instant magic, then they're powergaming.

Now, being many gods, means people can decide which is their own, and call others whatever the hell they want. All the elves older than 150 saw the destruction of Aegis, all dwarves as well, and even all the weird half elf humans older than that have seen it. Every character in LOTC should know that gods exist, but their choice on who to worship, even if none, still exists.

Gods in LOTC can not be all myths, even if some are.

Aegis was destroyed in the war between Aeriel and Iblees. The Creator had no involvement.

Except by the people around at the time of Krug, Horen, Malin and Urugan when Iblees was originally trapped.

Iblees was driven off and imprisoned by the other aenguls and daemons, not by the Creator.

[meg 1994]

Option 2, it just seems to open up more Rp, allowing some nations to worship some gods of the Pantheon, and some to worship none at all. I am excited to see what this 'plan' is :D

[Dalek348 1962]

Or we can just leave people to do and think what they want instead of dictating everything to them.

[Hiebe 2493]

I think a skyrim like religion with everyone has the same gods but they are free to worship one more then the others. And they can influence the world pass the void

[xmrsmoothx 317]

I would prefer for divine powers to have no effect on the mortal world, aside from the magics.

That means: no gods smiting down sinners, no speaking directly to the gods, no staff members playing god characters.

Option one is for me, yes?

[Guest Guest]

If people are literally praising a god and getting instant magic, then they're powergaming.

Please do not make statements like that. It is cannon lore that clerics are granted the power from their dieties. I do not agree with you trying to suddenly remove all gods and make them a myth. Several events in RP prove that they exist. For example, several Shamans have spoken to Krug. Another example is the monks who talk and receive their powers from the triumvate. Druids commune with the aspects, and they are certainly real. Iblees has been seen, so has Aeriel. Choosing option 1 would be breaking history and roleplay.

[argonian 14254]

Please do not make statements like that. It is cannon lore that clerics are granted the power from their dieties. I do not agree with you trying to suddenly remove all gods and make them a myth. Several events in RP prove that they exist. For example, several Shamans have spoken to Krug. Another example is the monks who talk and receive their powers from the triumvate. Druids commune with the aspects, and they are certainly real. Iblees has been seen, so has Aeriel. Choosing option 1 would be breaking history and roleplay.

It seems that we already have option 2 then, so we should go for that.

[Thrym 188]

I like Option 2 as long as the dwarven religion can stick around which it seems to be able to.

[Quavinir_Twiceborn 1050]

Oh no! not more pressure for me to stop being a heretic!

[Jistuma 1996]

If people are literally praising a god and getting instant magic, then they're powergaming.

I never said instant, said if they praise a god the right way they get magic, this might take, and does take a long time to master.

Aegis was destroyed in the war between Aeriel and Iblees. The Creator had no involvement.

I said gods as the aenguls and daemons as well, they are gods, they have the power to destroy worlds and one of them actually did destroy the world.

Iblees was driven off and imprisoned by the other aenguls and daemons, not by the Creator.

Please don't tell me you actually consider cannon that there was a huge battle between one daemon (Iblees) and drakes vs all the other aenguls and daemons. Please tell me that this lore: http://www.lordofthecraft.net/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=The_Luster_Of_Haven, is not cannon, please, it makes no sense whatsoever for it to be true.

If it is about the first part about the curse, well... Has not Aeriel appeared and talked about the creator? If not, I don't really care, the creator is not involved with our rp as he just watches, so having him or not wouldn't matter.

But the curse should be made by Iblees, as there are the undead which were also in contact with him, and there is text about the curse being placed on orcs, quoted is:

Day 539 - Duh flames o’ green has spread. More and more brudduhs becoming green. Healer twig comes, but taint doesn’t stop. Orcsy shamans don’t know, but duh babes still shrivel like squeali.....

Day 1500 - Green flames duhn’t be shrivelin’ da babes, but most brudduhs have been touched. Ancestor of duh sky help contain duh taint. He say those who perish with honor be free o’duh taint. Wounds of Krug worsen every day. All brudduhs hope Krug strengthens so ‘e may perish with honor..........................................................

As such, what we used before as lore is correct, only the details, the very fine details are not known, and those don't matter.

What should be worked on should be how the curse works and how it works in all cases, this means how it works for elves, for humans, for dwarves and for orcs. What are the limitations, what happens when blood is mixed, etc.

Ancient lore problem is not what the wandering wizard said, what he said could be called a myth, and seen as such, the problem lies in the curse and the full extent of power and purpose of deities and gods. I have given up on saying that Iblees couldn't have done what he did alone, he did it alone, he is a god and should be seen as one. They have the power to destroy worlds and curse the mortals. As read in the spoiler text, the curse was not done in seconds as what the Wandering Wizard said, and that is up with interpretation. There is also lore on civilizations not cursed, and they exist. Curse free elves and humans and dwarves, those exist and so they are proof that the curse exists.

PS, I just reread the first post. Don't mess with the creator... just let him be, he doesn't even interract with the players, it doesn't make the lore a mess, don't make complicated lore on something that needs no explaination. I'm changing my vote from 2 to 3, because if aenguls and daemons are not gods, then there is only one god that does not actually do anything but stand and watch.

[Edit] Please take in consideration tha NO RELIGION that actually worships something true worships the creator, no, they worship an aengul or a daemon. The creator has no interaction in rp but myths and should stay that way.

[Edit 2] Please add another responce to the question. Please make an Approach 4. - The words of the Wandering Wizard are not hard facts as he has lied or hid information on various acounts, yet the creator is still the only god, and has no interaction in rp.

[xmrsmoothx 317]

I said gods as the aenguls and daemons as well, they are gods, they have the power to destroy worlds and one of them actually did destroy the world.

Note 2: Aenguls and daemons are not gods. Seems to be some confusion there.