CosmicWhaleShark

This basically flat out illustrates the issues I have with any concept of creator based magic that has come up so far. It essentially seems like you are solving IC issues through OOC means, by simply making another deity that you did not have before. Clerical magic is one of the few magical subtypes that were actually started in Aegis, much like Druids and even Shades. Sorry the magic doesn't fit with the church, but they were around before the church, and that doesn't mean you can just be like, btw we have our own aengual now - no need to worry about RPing with actual clerics in the future. All of the reasons you've listed are IC and RP problems, to me. To add actually relevant feedback however, I will compliment you on the drawbacks and the general concept of the magic. A lot of proposed holy magic in the past basically has been a cloned, less disciplined form of what was already being RP'd as actual clerical magic, especially when MAs were dropped and everything was free game. This actually has its own identity, which is enjoyable to see for once. Still, though, the reasons you've listed for the magic have me a bit skeptical as to whether or not the issues are really that large, or not. You can't complain about clerics OOCly when you are the one ICly deciding to basically ostracize them, that's just RP. Also, Charles, I'm really not sure how I'm the stingy one considering you all utterly refuse to accept, already accepted, entities of the clerical subtype. Up until this point creator clerics have simply made it my own and others' problem because of the identical methods in which either of the magics were role-played. At one stage Hosper and I were actually expected to make an explanation for them, can you maybe see where I'm coming from, with that established? It's been a long stretch, and only just now are we seeing something that is not simply differentiated by the fact that it uses Latin or fire or something, which is good I suppose.

Alright, apologies for any interpreted hostilities or whatever else, this was not the intention with my original post. Not sure why my current character's position, that has literally nothing to do with this subject, is relevant to the response either. Moving on, however. I'm not precisely sure why Oren originally created this religion. However it first sprouted up in Asulon. It seemed like a pseudo-Christian creation considering the use of some papal terms, ranks as well as the concept of various punishments including being put on a crucifix, something that a bishop ordered teutons to put my war cleric on literally after he healed a child in the public square. It began as a mortal religion, and for a substantial period of time, has remained simply that. Also, I'm assuming you did not actually look at the guides I linked. So here is the most relevant portion of one guide to your concerns. By all means you are permitted to RP, somehow, working miracles in the creator's name. I was just clarifying that you cannot harness the power of the literal creator of the universe. Your character is by all means allowed to think he is, but OOC clarification, you cannot. Alright, again, I legitimately cannot tell if this is trolling or not. Jesusmancy? What?

I would prefer to not get into this, yet again, with people. Just to note, this doesn't even make sense. Neither order is racially specific and the clerical order's most prominent members in the past mainly consisted of humans. Braxus and Areon Baldwin were the head honchos for three bloody maps. I dunno if this is trolling or not. https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/110635-priest-healing-guide-update/ Have a guide. https://www.lordofthecraft.net/topic/110634-war-cleric-guide-update/ Have another guide. The first two paragraphs of each basically summarizes clerical magic's process to people. Also, implying that your little petty character is significant enough to be bestowed powers by the thing that created Iblees, Mr. Tah there and Xan as well - on top of every single continent and alternate dimension we've visited and the very concept of reality as we comprehend it itself - is basically powergaming. I know the Orenian faith preaches that you worship the creator, that's fine, but to have that worship be reciprocated in the way of magic is a bit silly.

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