Lgbt Rights Debate

[argonian 14254]

Why is being transgender basically celebrated and treated as a taste but some guy thinking he is a dog given pills and told he's crazy? His mind simple doesn't "match up" with his body, much like a transgender person. Why are schizophrenics told they're crazy if transgender people aren't? Why are autists told they have a mental illness(or disorder) if transgenders aren't? Why is my ADHD friend basically told he's fucked up and given pills when all he does is get distracted easily? At least he realises that he's a guy and not a girl or genderless.

Leftist propaganda and "equality" are just going way too far and are making inequalities.

[Katherine1 362]

If you feel like you're special. Why not go to the handicapped toilet? I'm not sure about the rest of you guys, but if I was a female, I wouldn't want a dude walking around the bathroom, and likewise with males.

Did you even read?

Right, that's why I have to worry about being assaulted or harassed for using the bathroom, no matter which I use.

Note the bold. It's a public restroom, I have just as much right to use a public restroom as anyone else. It doesn't make me a special snowflake for trying to assert the same rights as you.

[Lago 2572]

@James2K: My guess would be the reason all those various disorders are treated is because they're inhibiting.
 

Note the bold. It's a public restroom, I have just as much right to use a public restroom as anyone else. It doesn't make me a special snowflake for trying to assert the same rights as you.

How do they know though? Are the toilets really badly designed so that you have zero privacy or something? Hell, I wouldn't want to use toilets like that.

[PtahWithin 1320]

I think the fact that Gaius' question has largely been put off to the side is something which speaks volumes about both crowds here.

[Will (TauFirewarrior) 2466]

Someone who's attracted to the same sex obviously has some issues, I'm not afraid to admit that.

[Cracker 4570]

Hate to evoke slippery slope but if a black guy claimed that deep down he was white and demanded reconstructive surgery in order for his brain to match his body, most people would mark him off as possessing some form of mental disorder, or at the least, incredibly insecure.

 

I feel a similar way about transgenders; that being said, if they are paying out of their pocket to undertake such surgeries and medical procedures and don't flaunt it nonsensically, then that's their life and all I have the right to do is question it to myself among like-minded peers. I don't think its particularly right but then again there's a lot of much graver wrongs committed in this world, so what can you really do?

[Lago 2572]

I think the fact that Gaius' question has largely been put off to the side is something which speaks volumes about both crowds here.

I don't see what you mean.

 

Hate to evoke slippery slope but if a black guy claimed that deep down he was white and demanded reconstructive surgery in order for his brain to match his body, most people would mark him off as crazy, or at the least, incredibly insecure.

He'd have to put up with endless tasteless jokes but would have a very successful music career that ended in tragedy.

[argonian 14254]

Did you even read?

Note the bold. It's a public restroom, I have just as much right to use a public restroom as anyone else. It doesn't make me a special snowflake for trying to assert the same rights as you.

Why are you afraid of being assaulted? Just open the door of whichever restroom your private parts are meant for and walk into a cubicle. You don't have to make a song and a dance about it.

[Neri 3590]

Why is being transgender basically celebrated and treated as a taste but some guy thinking he is a dog given pills and told he's crazy? His mind simple doesn't "match up" with his body, much like a transgender person. Why are schizophrenics told they're crazy if transgender people aren't? Why are autists told they have a mental illness(or disorder) if transgenders aren't? Why is my ADHD friend basically told he's fucked up and given pills when all he does is get distracted easily? At least he realises that he's a guy and not a girl or genderless.

 

Because those are predominately genetic disorders. ADHD is known to have strong genetic ties, as does autism. Schizophrenia is attributed to both collaborative genetics and damage to the brain in early stages of development in children. In addition, Schizophrenics are by definition 'insane' (dependent on how severe it is), as they suffer auditory, visual etc. hallucinations.

 

Transsexuality is often caused by hormonal imbalances, environmental factors and upbringing. 

 

 

Why are you afraid of being assaulted? Just open the door of whichever restroom your private parts are meant for and walk into a cubicle. You don't have to make a song and a dance about it.

 

Comes under 'Disruption of the Peace' as a minor misdemeanor where I live, don't know about 'murica, probably more severe there.

[Lark 2227]

Lark peeks out of his bunker and looks across the wartorn landscape, opinion lay on the ground, pummeled into submission or for pure stubborness. The wild Lark shrugs and emerges from his bunker, wielding a sword of truth:

 

In the end, technology will make biology null. Why are we discussing this when due to technology, gender may not even exist in the coming decades/centuries. The arguments this community spawns can be downright stupid and this is one of them. Love is a bodily function and part of biology and I think many of you forget that. If someone wants to love another man or woman, that is fine. There body is not different or defected, thats simply how they are. It is when people believe that their sexuality or preference gives them the right to flaunt it in people's faces and act like asses. As for transexuals, I don't care what gender you align as, but the people on tumbler get so ******* offended over little things it makes the group as a whole look bad. All sexualities have existed since relatively forever, people will eventually accept that and then we'll move onto debating something else.

 

That is simply the way of things.

 

 

Because those are predominately genetic disorders. ADHD is known to have strong genetic ties, as does autism. Schizophrenia is attributed to both collaborative genetics and damage to the brain in early stages of development in children. In addition, Schizophrenics are by definition 'insane' (dependent on how severe it is), as they suffer auditory, visual etc. hallucinations.

 

Transsexuality is often caused by hormonal imbalances, environmental factors and upbringing.

 

I would also like to point out that autism is not nessescarily bad...depending on the severity of the case it can be considered a gift. That is all.

[Lago 2572]

Because those are predominately genetic disorders. ADHD is known to have strong genetic ties, as does autism. Schizophrenia is attributed to both collaborative genetics and damage to the brain in early stages of development in children. In addition, Schizophrenics are by definition 'insane' (dependent on how severe it is), as they suffer auditory, visual etc. hallucinations.

 

Transsexuality is often caused by hormonal imbalances, environmental factors and upbringing. 

But didn't the other person say it was genetic?

IM SO CONFUSED

Can we go back to hating on Malinor and Oren now?

[argonian 14254]

But didn't the other person say it was genetic?

IM SO CONFUSED

Can we go back to hating on Malinor and Oren now?

Malinor is transexual

[Katherine1 362]

See, the heat has been brought to the stove and the "smiley faces" have cracked. This will never achieve the status of a Socratic discussion. You all have dug your trenches and I repeat a question from earlier:

 

"Besides Dread Knight Verin, how many pro-gays actually participate in something in-real-life to aid their cause? I am just curious. Being a "trans/gay/hetero- resource" on the internet does not count."

I have and do. Additionally, I would argue that being a resource does count. I've affected people's lives in real, profound ways. For a population with a 42% attempted suicide rate ( General population rate is more like 1% ), having someone there to tell them they aren't alone and to help them in their times of need can be an incredible help. Far more then going and giving a talk somewhere. (I have done the panel QA thing before. )

 

 

I agree with you here somewhat. We have two bathrooms designated for two types of bodies, male and female. In my opinion, it does not make sense to use a bathroom that was designed to cater the needs of a specific sex (like a man using a women's restroom). There are things in each bathroom that are specifically designed to meet the needs of that biological sex. It has nothing to do with what gender you see yourself as, it's more along the lines using the restroom that is most equipped to suit your body's needs.

And idk about you but seeing a woman try to use a urinal just sounds silly.

 

@James2K: My guess would be the reason all those various disorders are treated is because they're inhibiting.

 

How do they know though? Are the toilets really badly designed so that you have zero privacy or something? Hell, I wouldn't want to use toilets like that.

Funny thing. The bathroom stalls are the same. No special hardware. If you pass 99% of the time, then that person who picks up that you're trans that 1% of the time can become a huge problem. Kids peeking under stalls as well. Look up some transgender bathroom incidents. They are all examples of trans people going to go to the bathroom, and getting identified as trans. Usually resulting in threats and violence.

Why is being transgender basically celebrated and treated as a taste but some guy thinking he is a dog given pills and told he's crazy? His mind simple doesn't "match up" with his body, much like a transgender person. Why are schizophrenics told they're crazy if transgender people aren't? Why are autists told they have a mental illness(or disorder) if transgenders aren't? Why is my ADHD friend basically told he's fucked up and given pills when all he does is get distracted easily? At least he realises that he's a guy and not a girl or genderless.

Leftist propaganda and "equality" are just going way too far and are making inequalities.

 

Gender Dysphoria is not lessoned by psychological treatment. Body Dysmorphic Disorder is. Additionally, I doubt the guy who feels like a dog has a brain structure consistent with a dog. If he did that would be a huuuge scientific discovery. The only effective treatment for Gender Dysphoria is transition, which is a bit of a mix and match thing.

Additionally, if you take someone who is not trans and force them to live and be recognized as the opposite sex, those people experience gender dysphoria. It's actually very common when doctors decide to choose which gender an intersex infant is to choose wrong. Once again, we come back to the fact that brain structure is sexually dimorphic and that trans people have brain structures consistent with their identified sex, as I cited with peer reviewed evidence in my previous post.

[Neri 3590]

Malinor is transexual

 

I believe the word you're looking for is fabulous.

Or possibly metrosexual.

[Katherine1 362]

But didn't the other person say it was genetic?

IM SO CONFUSED

Can we go back to hating on Malinor and Oren now?

No. Very little of sexual differentiation is controlled by genetics. It's mostly hormone controlled. The Y chromosome just kickstarts things in a male direction. That's why you can get things like Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, where a person's body is unresponsive to androgens (male sex hormones like Testosterone) as a result, you can have an XY Female that develops female (though barren), and would not know that they are infact XY until puberty when their period doesn't come.

Hormones are powerful things. It's why I pass without any surgery. They're a huge part of transition, and do far, far more then any doctor could.