Lgbt Rights Debate

[Rig 17581]

Piercing, thats' just not true. 

 

Every single animal we know of, minus seahorses, practice homosexuality. We are billions strong. We're overpopulated. Even if we weren't, homosexuals occupy 10% of the pop, not enough to make that sizeable a dent, and outside fertilization is possible. While I can not attest to the "Spirit", I can agree on the fact human happiness overides biological neccesity. Heterosexuals have as much sodomy as gays, probably more, which does not lead to conception. 

I don't mean it in a bad fashion, I support anything spiritual, and it's natural. But while I did overstate it by saying 'biological crime' spirituality overrides all, and spirit is more important than the basics of the natural reproductive need.

I'm a budhist, mixed with some christianity. I only stated it was 'biologically' that way because the technicality states through science means that the continuation of our species is necessary if we're dying out, right now though, people should not worry if they're homosexual or heterosexual. I only spoke from a scientific standpoint.

I respect your opinion thoroughly, but I fully remain to mine own, friend. 'Sodomy' I do not believe is a sin. Even though it's kinda gross  in my opinion (since I properly find sexual reproduction a gross subject). Spirituality overrides survival because something only means something if we give meaning to it. 

[Han Solo 35]

I think homosexuality is wrong, but I 00% support it. Just because I don't like Vanilla Ice Cream, doesn't mean I should stop others from eating it. If you wanna be gay, be gay.

[Tadmonster 54]

The larger issue for many gays is something called the next of kin effect. In fact, as I know many gays, I can say that most don't care if they are married or not. However, if they are not married, many states do not accept them as next of kin, or the ones to receive the other's items or have life-changing decisions (such as to "pull the plug"). Civil unions allow this in some cases, and many are happy with that. If homosexuals could register as next of kin, the pleas for homosexual marriage would actually greatly lower.

[Eleatic 1033]

The larger issue for many gays is something called the next of kin effect. In fact, as I know many gays, I can say that most don't care if they are married or not. However, if they are not married, many states do not accept them as next of kin, or the ones to receive the other's items or have life-changing decisions (such as to "pull the plug"). Civil unions allow this in some cases, and many are happy with that. If homosexuals could register as next of kin, the pleas for homosexual marriage would actually greatly lower.

yeah but the idea of gay marriage is that it validates us as more then just a social issue, it makes the love of two people seem valid in the eyes of the government, and in some cases, god. as a member of a number of groups, that wouldn't happen. gay marriage vs civil union is in relationship to validity. not consideration.

[Samson Option 9652]

yeah but the idea of gay marriage is that it validates us as more then just a social issue, it makes the love of two people seem valid in the eyes of the government, and in some cases, god. as a member of a number of groups, that wouldn't happen. gay marriage vs civil union is in relationship to validity. not consideration.

Government shouldn't even be determining such a thing in the first place. Marriage has always been a customary and/or religious contract. Oneida Community is an example of a break from any such contract.

[Eleatic 1033]

How is the idea that gays get married akin to a religious group?

[Samson Option 9652]

How is the idea that gays get married akin to a religious group?

I am speaking about the contract of marriage, historically tied to customary evolution or religious ordainment. What I am saying is that government should not even get involved in the marriage contracts of individuals, thus homosexuals would be able to marry vis-a-vis willing ministers and/or Peace Corp.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

Gays are human beings. We are all human beings.

[FORƎST 1312]

While gay is ok I do feel that there should be mandatory psych evaluations for people undergoing certain procedures (read: snip snip) as I believe that many (read: not all) of these people are often unfit to think the consequences alll the way through. Especially at a young age.

[Katherine1 362]

Its scary that you guys live in countries where the rights of the people needs a debate. I dont really like homos, but they dont really bother me so meh

 

Trans people need serious help. You really do not deserve to get some kind of special ******* treatment because you think you're supposed to have a ******* ****. This is all just some **** thats come up because of how "popular" and "accepted" **** has been lately, we didnt have these problems during the 70's or 80's. And now all of a sudden there are ******* transgender bathrooms in places, i ******* hate my country.

 

I miss the times when we cleaned up such degenerates.

Excuse me for dragging something from several pages back up, as probably one of the most visible visible trans people on LotC, I do feel a need to directly address this.

I expect to be treated with the same respect as anyone else. That is not special treatment, that's basic human decency. I hope to not put myself into danger just to use a bathroom. I hope to not be demonized for what I am. And no, it's not a choice. It's something I had to wrestle with most of my life before I reached the point of transition.

As much as you seem to think we didn't exist in the 70's or 80's, that's just false. There were plenty of transexuals and drag kings and queens and the like going back. Even before the 20th century, there are recognized third genders in many non-western cultures throughout history. We've always existed in some form, whether you wish to recognize that or not.

I shutter to think how you would "clean up" someone like me. I am glad I do not know you offline.

[Lego XBOX 915]

Someone brought this argument to the table a few replies back, just going to replace it here.

 

I ask all of you, do you like pistachio flavoured ice-cream?

Yes, then that's great~ I like it too.

No, then that's too bad, but I'm not going to go and demonise you or do anything to you just because you don't share my tastes.

 

 

The world needs to stop caring so much about things that don't affect them.

 

Does it affect you, as a person, that someone else may do something you wouldn't? No.

 

Stop the complaints, there is nothing to debate...

 

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Now, towards Ballnazor...

 

Saying that people who choose to be transgender have a disease is just like saying homosexuals are diseased. To be completely technical, a mental illness is not a disease either...

 

Those who are transgender do not have a mental illness anyway. Sure, their desire can be diagnosed by a psychological examination, but that doesn't mean they are mentally ill. And on that point, there are thousands of mental illnesses in the world, do you propose everyone that has one be 'cleaned-up'?

 

Cleaning up as you call it can work and can be effective, but it's in essence what the Nazi did during World War II.

 

Now to turn the argument back on yourself, so you may realise what you are saying.

 

 

Phobias are clinically recognised as a 'Mental disorder', and right now you are exposing the symptoms of 'Transphobia', which is phobia. Does this mean you have to be cleaned up too…?

 

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Back to the original point. [AKA TL;DR]

 

No matter what you think of homosexuality or transsexuality, it doesn't affect you that they have the same rights as you… the most it could affect you is spiritually, and a subjective reason is no reason to deny someone the rights you have.

 

That is all~

[Sky 0]

I shall quote Chaz Bono, whom is a Male but was born the daughter of Sonny and Cher.

 

"There's a gender in your brain and a gender in your body. For 99 percent of people, those things are in alignment. For transgender people, they're mismatched. That's all it is. It's not complicated, it's not a neurosis. It's a mix-up. It's a birth defect, like a cleft palate."

 

Now, in the technical sense. being transgendered is an illness in the head but as Lego has explained, that is different to a disease.

 

Hold up there partner, before you start shouting out that it's not right and such, shall I just inform you that almost every human being in this world has a defect? Didn't know that? Well, you learnt something!

 

It just happens that transgendered people, were born with a brain that recognizes itself as  the other gender, it's not hard to understand but it's easy to hate, because it's... Different!

 

Scary right? Something different to us 'Normal' people? But wait, I'm pansexual, which means that I do not fit into the 'Normal' catagory.

 

Oh well, who likes that catagory anyway? No one, cause everyone is different.

 

Okay, I am falling off track here...

 

I hope you can see my original post in there.

 

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Please don't take this the wrong way, if you have something to say about what I have said and want to say something about it, please feel free to PM me.

[Neri 3590]

"It worked, it was effective."

 

Yes, in the same way that (forgive me for invoking Godwin's Law) Nazi policies worked. I sincerely hope you don't believe that eugenics and forced sterilization of people deemed unworthy or unwanted (eg. Galton's Scale) is the way to do things. I'd rather live in a 'fucked up society' than the result of something like that.

[Lago 2572]

Picking up some heat in these replies.

*pours liquid nitrogen everywhere*

 

[Samson Option 9652]

Besides Dread Knight Verin, how many pro-gays actually participate in something in-real-life to aid their cause? I am just curious. Being a "trans/gay/hetero- resource" on the internet does not count.