War, Safe Zones, And Fighting. Oh My!

[MamaBearJade 2090]

Shhh, silence Tape. Everyone knows Adunia doesn't actually exist.

You misunderstand, Jade. Now you can move back to cities that won't allow pvp. It's to bring rp closer together.

Problem is chi.

 

I helped create a community, which /you/ are a part of, that lives on the edge of a map, away from all these raids. Yet now we are /forced/ to pick up our things, destroy what we spend /weeks/ building, and head to cities that dislike us. Why? Where is the fun rp there?

[The Womping Wizard 400]

So how much longer till we can consider ourselves a light RP faction server?

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

1. The bridge wound "PVP defaulters and "RP defaulters" was mending, you just ripped it back open and let it fester.

 

2. Instead of strategy, diplomacy, organized warclaims that recruit cooperation from both sides and yet were dynamic: Now any faction wanting to destroy another will just raid it over and over until the fun of the faction in question is destroyed and they all leave.

 

3. One nation can provoke another with propaganda or raids. The nation raided will try to declare war, the raiding nation will simply say "nope, no OOC consent".

 

4. Chasing down someone in PVP, he runs into a safe-zone. "That's against the rules!" "No it isn't!" "BR going up!"

 

5. PVP is default, except in zones where it isn't default? You're segregating zones between PVP and RP? Do you WANT to breed resentment between factions who prefer one or the other? You had a good thing going with the majority rule. It makes sense, by default the most people are pleased. But now this server and it's PVP and RP purist cliques will be more seperated than pre-Mandela South Africa.

 

I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but ned lud has it right.

[Helbolt 129]

Let's test it out and keep an open mind.

[Agnub 605]

Shhh, silence Tape. Everyone knows Adunia doesn't actually exist.

You misunderstand, Jade. Now you can move back to cities that won't allow pvp. It's to bring rp closer together.

You all need to read the whole post and think about it before Rittsy starts posting ridiculous memes

 

I really hate the argument "to bring people together" or "to centralize population". It's not a matter of forcing people to RP in certain areas - it's whether people /enjoy/ RPing in those areas or with the people in those areas. You can't force people to live in a city just cause it's safe if they don't like the RP of the people that run the city. This is why people make their own little havens and places so they can RP as they wish.

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

 After much deliberation, we have decided to return PvP to an absolute default.

 

 

 

This turns cities with PvP toggled off into “safe zones” from events such as raids or even individual one on one brawls. These regions will still be free build, though, so the only purpose of their existence will be for the PvP flags. With this in mind, raiding parties need to remember that griefing is still disallowed, so destroying a settlement in place of killing its residents will get you banned.

 

 

Alright, I've read this three times, and I do have some questions that I think would do well to clarify.

 

1. Raiders, in absolute PvP default, cannot demand that regions turn off their PvP flag, yes?

 

2. Are raiders allowed to make blocks or ladder placements to get over the walls into said protected regions still? Since while it's regioned, it's still free build.

 

3. Why would you remove raid rules entirely if there is a possibility that the said RP hubs you are trying to cultivate, could potentially be raided by those who have frustrated the apparently accommodated peaceful role-players?

 

 

These regions will still be free build, though, so the only purpose of their existence will be for the PvP flags. With this in mind, raiding parties need to remember that griefing is still disallowed, so destroying a settlement in place of killing its residents will get you banned.

 

 

4. Why threaten people with essentially player-enforced ban reports, if they grief a region? Why not just prevent any altercation from occurring in the first place and establishing permissions to manipulate blocks in kind?

 

As you have said -

 

 In place of this system, we have come up with another that is much more simple, easier to understand, and most importantly prevents the high amounts of OOC drama usually associated with wars and battles. Essentially, this is how it works now:

 

Ban reports are the absolute core of drama, I don't see how threatening people with things that only the players themselves can regulate in OOC, helps.

 

More questions might follow.

[Cjmate 1270]

Wait, wait, wait...so a town can technically toggle pvp off. It can also not die mechanically. It can also deny war claims ooc. So...technically a town cannot be destroyed or killed by any means, rply or pvply. It can be annoyed rply, but that is subject to ban report for harassment, which is unrelated to this post but still a thing. Did I read that correct?

[Rhia 936]

Everyone is worried that they are going to be constantly raided and forced off the server. If you would have a look at the rules page you would find :

 

Consistently depriving another player (or players) of their fun for your own personal gain or amusement, even after receiving appropriate warnings, is punishable if deemed necessary by the moderation teams. This may also be considered harassment. Essentially, don't be a troublesome player that only plays to annoy others or be a nuisance.

 

 

If you truly feel that you are being over raided by a certain group by all means file a player report. These changes state that there is no raid rules but they don't overrule our current rules. 

[Temp 2006]

"if you wish to run, you must alert the other player as you would if you were initiating PvP. If you are in a safe zone, you must roleplay your attempted escape."

Does this mean running from RP with no RP is bannable in a PvP-off area?

[Agnub 605]

Everyone is worried that they are going to be constantly raided and forced off the server. If you would have a look at the rules page you would find :

 

Consistently depriving another player (or players) of their fun for your own personal gain or amusement, even after receiving appropriate warnings, is punishable if deemed necessary by the moderation teams. This may also be considered harassment. Essentially, don't be a troublesome player that only plays to annoy others or be a nuisance.

 

 

If you truly feel that you are being over raided by a certain group by all means file a player report. These changes state that there is no raid rules but they don't overrule our current rules. 

 

Can you file a report on an entire nation? Any nation can simply rotate groups of raiders in a place. Would nation leaders get punished in this instance?

[CosmicWhaleShark 2488]

Everyone is worried that they are going to be constantly raided and forced off the server. If you would have a look at the rules page you would find :

 

Consistently depriving another player (or players) of their fun for your own personal gain or amusement, even after receiving appropriate warnings, is punishable if deemed necessary by the moderation teams. This may also be considered harassment. Essentially, don't be a troublesome player that only plays to annoy others or be a nuisance.

 

 

If you truly feel that you are being over raided by a certain group by all means file a player report. These changes state that there is no raid rules but they don't overrule our current rules. 

 

Interesting...

 

 

What I'm getting from your response, then, is that nothing has changed in that case.

[Rhia 936]

Wait, wait, wait...so a town can technically toggle pvp off. It can also not die mechanically. It can also deny war claims ooc. So...technically a town cannot be destroyed or killed by any means, rply or pvply. It can be annoyed rply, but that is subject to ban report for harassment, which is unrelated to this post but still a thing. Did I read that correct?

 

Only racial capitals and MAJOR cities are getting regions (the ones rittsy listed). 

 

 

"if you wish to run, you must alert the other player as you would if you were initiating PvP. If you are in a safe zone, you must roleplay your attempted escape."

Does this mean running from RP with no RP is bannable in a PvP-off area?

 

 

Yes but chances are there will be warnings to start out with while everyone adjusts. 

[Alan 1815]

Let's test it out and keep an open mind.

 

You rebel.

[CowsGoMoo 267]

Everyone is worried that they are going to be constantly raided and forced off the server. If you would have a look at the rules page you would find :

 

Consistently depriving another player (or players) of their fun for your own personal gain or amusement, even after receiving appropriate warnings, is punishable if deemed necessary by the moderation teams. This may also be considered harassment. Essentially, don't be a troublesome player that only plays to annoy others or be a nuisance.

 

 

If you truly feel that you are being over raided by a certain group by all means file a player report. These changes state that there is no raid rules but they don't overrule our current rules. 

 

 

The problem with that is... how are you supposed to ban report a whole FACTION? Who would be the one to be penalized in a situation like this? And how many times do you need to be raided until it is too much? 

 

What if you're being raided by different cities? And... if those cities are protected from being taken over... then what can you do to fight back against them? I mean... raiding them back would just further aggravate the situation, and just make everyone madder (that is now a word). I guess talking to the leaders would somewhat help, and would be a nice way to solve it in roleplay, but there's room for disagreements, more anger, more frusteration, that will further spiral out of control and turn into OOC conflict. There's just a lot of room for something rather bad to happen in a scenario like this. D:

[MamaBearJade 2090]

Everyone is worried that they are going to be constantly raided and forced off the server. If you would have a look at the rules page you would find :

 

Consistently depriving another player (or players) of their fun for your own personal gain or amusement, even after receiving appropriate warnings, is punishable if deemed necessary by the moderation teams. This may also be considered harassment. Essentially, don't be a troublesome player that only plays to annoy others or be a nuisance.

 

 

If you truly feel that you are being over raided by a certain group by all means file a player report. These changes state that there is no raid rules but they don't overrule our current rules. 

 

You got a video of raiders recently that broke a bunch of rules and raided for giggles. No real reason other than "hate elves" when there is no IC proof we were all elves. They /slaughtered/ a human child. I saw no punishment given then. Why should we believe any help will come next time when they raid us over. and over. and over. and camp the SS pillar?