7.0 Annoucement!

[Ducklingator 795]

a 7.5k block square sounds pretty big, how much is Atlas?

[Suxals 529]

22 minutes ago, Narthok said:

I don't understand why the Overlord gets to choose the location that just seems foolish. Literally every EOM domain with the exception of Renatus was chosen, founded, administrated and developed independently of the Overlord. That has been the precedent in the prior maps. This system entirely changes the rules that most people felt they were operating under. Rather than maintaining existing allegiances and such you're entirely reliant on the favour of the Overlord. In a human system where authority is heavily decentralized and local feudatories manage their own affairs. A system like this works fine for elves but absolutely punishes humans for the rp style they've been adhering to for years. 

 

There is a reason humans don't live close to each other. Human rp needs a degree of decentralization for the political interactions that form the mainstay of our rp. Furthermore a huge number of rp grudges between factions have prompted them to settle apart from each other as forcing them into close proximity almost always results in an absolute blood bath. This system takes Human rp and shoves it into an organized little box for the sake of RP when humans are atm the undisputed most active race on the server. With their dominion possessing 4+ very active settlements. System just seems like a knee jerk reaction to everyone whinging about freebuild and decentralized rp.

 

I am totally with Narthok here, all the settlements that meet the requirements of activity should get their nation status, without matter if they are vassals or not.

 

((Also i would like to note that the most beautiful cities of Atlas were built at the start of the map with LC... there hasn't been any city built in freebuild that could be compared to them (maybe Curon once it is finished) and that kinda worries me because the buildings at the start of the map with lack of resources could be subpar. ))

[Wurfv 101]

Freebuild is awful just get rid of it

[JuliusAakerlund 2402]

1 hour ago, SeventhCircle said:

 

 

 

Okay, so this was done because we want OOC systems to match Rp, Nation Status should be held by the topmost domain that doesn't mean to say the groups below them won't get land, won't have the opportunity for Green Pillars or mines. It does mean that the Overlord has the say in where the nation as a whole is placed on the map. We're not trying to screw over groups just consolidate the amount of Nations. As well as keep groups together. We really don't want vassals to be fighting with fully independent nations for nation spots when vassals can be near their overlord and still get the benefits of the middle ring. They're just closer then we'd like to put a fully independent nation.

 

Actually, the goal is that anyone can request to participate in this process and have their activity monitored. In a few days, I'll have a post specifically outlining this. But any group no matter their size can apply to participate. The clause was more so added so groups understand that they're attempting to gain Nation Status. Our intent isn't to use that rule to play a selective game per say.

 

Nation status means a lot more than just someone being a nation, if someone says we won't be getting nation status it would imply a slew of things. This would include anything from that we won't be getting a green SS pillar, we will have to build everything on our own. We won't be getting as much land as we would otherwise, we won't be getting mines or auctioneers/bankers. I know you just said "it doesn't mean they won't have the opportunity for green pillars etc" but it heavily implies we'll have to get those on our own, through hard work and labour when really we should already have them. The Empire of Humanity does not rely 100% on their Emperor, The Emperor has a lot of power and influence but all the nations inside of it are vastly different. There is culture, history, grudges, political stances and geographical preferences. These all play into it, saying you want to put us next to our liege lord is logical if you don't know how humanity works. The vast majority of Human nations under the Empire basically work independantly, the Empire will talk to us in relation to some things and we give up only a small section of our independence by joining it.

 

At the end of the day, this just spits in the face of all the years of hard work nations put in to stay relevant and create RP for this server. Me and Haense have literally put in 10-12 hours of every day, some of us less but me specifically I have put in ungodly hours daily to keep our nation active. This makes all of our efforts to make the server a better place for our community and the server at large all for nothing, nation status was a reward afforded to the people who put the work in. In the past all the nations underneath Oren were afforded nation status if they met the requirements, Axios changed that but the people involved instantly realized it was a massive mistake. That's the whole reason charters were opened up at launch, it was a bandaid solution to said mistake. In the end the very same nations that had their right taken from them were granted nation status, not only that it was quite obvious that this decision had detrimental effects on human RP. It can be blamed for a slew of the problems the Empire faced and credit much to its eventual downfall, as the forced centralization of humanity made cooperation amongst them extremely hard.

 

If some freebuild nation that puts in 1/3rd of our effort gets nation status just because we're part of an Empire that should speak volumes. By this logic if @Jaeden had the Dominion join the Empire (theoretically) then they'd have their nation status revoked, that should in itself show how flawed the logic is. They'd still be the Dominion, they'd still have their own land, authority and be a nation. They have their own people, culture and government. It's honestly mind boggling how an actual nation can be **** on just for being apart of an Empire, literally this is a problem only humanity will face. It comes off as a way to try and just stiffle us and indirectly destroy human unity and the Imperium.

 

@Narthok and @Kid Mackin has some great points, as well as @Xarkly

 

Do I think every vassal of the Empire should get nation status? No I don't, but if any of those vassals have what it takes to be a nation and clear all the obsticles, then being a part of the Empire should not stop them from being one. @SeventhCircle

[Imperium 3495]

I fully support Kid Mackin, Xarkly, and

Narthok.

 

your screwing over active player bases, and only causing more of a problem.

[Fishy 2709]

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tbh if you cap nations at four and up the size of vassal plots you fix the issue 

[blago 1602]

Staff need to keep a spine this time and keep inactive nations out unless they meet a MAJORITY of activity checks. As for places like Haense and Norland, I believe it reasonable as active groups of the Empire they get to recieve their own plot especially noting they’re more active than most nations you’ll still coward out and give status.

[Narthok 10416]

1 minute ago, Blago said:

Staff need to keep a spine this time and keep inactive nations out unless they meet a MAJORITY of activity checks. As for places like Haense and Norland, I believe it reasonable as active groups of the Empire they get to recieve their own plot especially noting they’re more active than nost nations you’ll still coward out and give status.

Haense, Lorraine, Belvitz and Ngrad should all be given the opportunity to prove their merit through activity rather than arbitrary judgements of nationhood. If they fail then thats on them.

[blago 1602]

 As for freebuild I believe there needs to be strict codes on building, etc. This map looks beautiful and lets not plague it with dirt huts and stone forts all crowded with each other in any area at all.

[DrFong 226]

Annoucement? I think you are missing an N in there somewhere.

[blago 1602]

Just now, Narthok said:

Haense, Lorraine, Belvitz and Ngrad should all be given the opportunity to prove their merit through activity rather than arbitrary judgements of nationhood. If they fail then thats on them.

Agreed. The Empire holds all the most active groups other than the Dominion, and restricting RP progress where the Empire had stretched it’s borders by gaining these ACTIVE groups is literally voiding the work of a hundred people.

[SeventhCircle 460]

23 minutes ago, Narthok said:

I don't understand why the Overlord gets to choose the location that just seems foolish. Literally every EOM domain with the exception of Renatus was chosen, founded, administrated and developed independently of the Overlord. That has been the precedent in the prior maps. This system entirely changes the rules that most people felt they were operating under. Rather than maintaining existing allegiances and such you're entirely reliant on the favour of the Overlord. In a human system where authority is heavily decentralized and local feudatories manage their own affairs. A system like this works fine for elves but absolutely punishes humans for the rp style they've been adhering to for years. 

 

There is a reason humans don't live close to each other. Human rp needs a degree of decentralization for the political interactions that form the mainstay of our rp. Furthermore a huge number of rp grudges between factions have prompted them to settle apart from each other as forcing them into close proximity almost always results in an absolute blood bath. This system takes Human rp and shoves it into an organized little box for the sake of RP when humans are atm the undisputed most active race on the server. With their dominion possessing 4+ very active settlements. System just seems like a knee jerk reaction to everyone whinging about freebuild and decentralized rp.

 

It's being discussed, We would like in the long term but our intent is to support the community so a grandfather clause is being discussed for groups who walked into this and would be affected by it due to something they did before it's annoucement

[luv 3469]

Oh, honey!!!

[TankM1A2 840]

51 minutes ago, Suxals said:

So... Haense wont have nation status in the next map because they are part of the Empire even though they are way more active than the Capital of the Empire? Explain please.

 

I understand that you're trying to make a point, but you just spewed a blatant lie. I can confidently say Carolustadt has been leading the server in terms of activity, as of recent. Less than a week ago we had 40 people in the city at an off hour doing various sorts of RP. So yes, we have RP outside of Court.

[Slothtastic 761]

Wait where the fucks my Swamps *****