Cloakedsphere 1471 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I'm not sure if you left signs yourself, you didn't make that apparent in your post but I'm going to assume that you did for the rest of this reply seeing as a GM watched over you. If this bridge was repaired and signs were there when you destroyed it, they essentially are forcing their presence which IS powergaming, so in this situation a GM should have been called in (assuming one wasn't). As was said, solve it in RP unless it can't be solved in RP, and this is a situation where it can't be solved in RP. We're here to make sure everyone has fun, although we don't want to be called everywhere we also shouldn't be called in after all the conflict arises, we're here to act as mediators among other things. Wode left the RP signs for me since I had no perms for the area. I asked her OOC'ly through the modreq if I was allowed to damage a bridge to where it would be unstable/a little uneasy to pass through. Something you could get your foot caught in at the least. You are telling me the person who removed the sign and replaced the blocks are power gaming now? I am so damned confused. :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ĔṀĔŔĨĨČĶ 519 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I support this 100%, It is about time those who turn RP into an OOC Clusterfudge got punished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerxes_XIII 2 200 Share Posted March 15, 2013 If I may express my concerns... (as a forewarning, I am totally stealing Cyndicate's format for this kinda thing :P) I feel that this is... perhaps not the best way to sort out the issue. While I do agree with the premise of the idea... I feel that while it has good intentions in still giving the players much freedom, I also feel that it will be ineffective. Before I have my little rant on this, I just want to mention that this is /not/ an uninformed opinion of an ignorant player. I've been on many many servers as a staff person, and have quite a bit of experience with running a community. Now then, here are my main issues. -Simply telling people "sort it out IC" will not make them do so. Make all the punishments you want, but in the end if they can't bring OOC into it, it will end up in power / meta gaming, because the players in question will become frustrated, and likely lose their cool. Yes, I'm aware the obvious answer to this is "ban the powergamers, then." but no... The goal, I think, is to stop the powergamers in the first place rather than simply pick off members of the community. -I feel that while 'fun' is indeed a matter of opinion, 'fairness' is not. I have found that in many, many situations of IC conflict, one party is not enjoying themselves- hence why so many people powergame during these situations. I know that I for one get rather annoyed when stopped on the road by bandits and killed. Yes, it is valid rp. Yes, it is fun for the bandits. Sure, I have no reason to complain about it other than one key thing... It is not enjoyable for me. Yes, this sounds selfish, but I feel we can all agree that it is important that both parties in an rp situation enjoy it, otherwise the whole point of the server (which is, I presume, for players to enjoy themselves.) is unsuccessful. -I feel that it is the job of the staff team not to simply mediate, but to control a situation. Yes, the whole point of this topic is that the staff is taking control and playing 'bad cop', but I feel that more is needed. To better explain this, allow me to use the WR outpost as an example. While I myself have not run into this issue, and am honestly not bothered by it, I feel that it is unfair. The WR enjoy the rp, obviously or they wouldn't do it, but the people being stopped clearly do not if it is causing this much drama. Yes, it is an IC issue. Yes it can be theoretically sorted out IC. But no it is not okay in my opinion, simply because as stated in my previous complaint, it is not enjoyable for both parties. The staff, (correct me if I am wrong), are meant to keep the server running smoothly, and keep the players happy. I don't see happiness coming from simply telling them to stop fighting ooc and sort it out IC, I see frustration. So, now that I have expressed my opinions (please note that they are just that. I do not mean to sound as if I am telling the staff what to do, as I am most certainly not, I am simply expressing my concerns and opinions.) Here are some possible fixes that I would suggest. -Have the staff be more involved, more intrusive on roleplay. Yes, this is an odd thing to say, but in my experience I have found that while individuals are usually quite pleasant and reasonable, a playerbase as a whole is... rather stupid. There will be no way to make a playerbase happy, there simply cannot be- especially with a playerbase of this size. That being said, I think that it would be ideal for the staff to, in a situation where there is an 'unfair' roleplay situation (not on small scales obviously, moreso like the WR outpost) to remedy the situation by literally just comparing the numbers of people who are bothered, then deciding based on that what should be done. For example, still using the WR outpost situation, try to figure out roughly how many people in the whiterose would be upset if it was removed, and weight that against the number of elves that would be happy about it, and vice-versa. Essentially, I would suggest that you throw empathy and the idea of letting players self-regulate out the window, since it simply will not work (as is proven by how it hasn't been working at all since... Asulon, I believe.) and just take the logical choice in the situation to make as many people happy as you can. Alright... I realize that this contradicts my statement about fairness, but in a situation where not everyone will be happy no matter what, I feel it is best to just choose to help the side that will make the most people happy. -That... is really the only option I see so uhm... /end rant. I invite all of you, of course, to tear apart my statements and suggestions here, and I will take personal responsibility for any flaming that is caused by this post. Thank you. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritSpectre 134 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Finally, not to tell wrong. But I like the "bad cop" call, there's no sense on having rules that can be broken without any mayor effect. 100% Agree and 100% Support. Though still wondering what's the 3rd point you were to add. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Boiendl 1454 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorMagill 43 Share Posted March 15, 2013 "I have witnessed this a lot just by walking into people arguing about rp fighting yelling at each other how you cant do a certain something.! Anyway glad you guys are stopping it Rp is the best! IT HAS SWAG! (Everyone facepalm irl right now) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryski 32 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Luckily enough I wasn't caught in any of this conflict, and remained completely oblivious to it. I found it quite a shock when I first read this... Anyhow, this is a good way to sort out the situation. Good job GM's! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lago 2572 Share Posted March 16, 2013 What measures exist to stop one side blowing something out of proportion to get the other banned? If one side attempts to communicate (something the server has a severe lack of at every single level) with the other side OOCly, and the other side gets angry, the one who attempted to communicate can be banned. How can you expect people not to go straight to ban reports when it's no longer safe for them to try to work things out peacefully with the other side? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobolympic 1093 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I would like to propose a fourth point: "Teamspeak shall be shut down, or at least neglect player access, during ongoing wars. This is to prevent metagaming." 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lago 2572 Share Posted March 16, 2013 In which case we'd need a plugin for war coordination. People need to communicate ICly in battles and in the time it takes to type they get killed. Maybe force the TS war chats to be in character... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonian 14254 Share Posted March 16, 2013 In which case we'd need a plugin for war coordination. People need to communicate ICly in battles and in the time it takes to type they get killed.Maybe force the TS war chats to be in character...Or maybe get a neutral(as in: Doesn't play a character in that nation) GM to sit in the chat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiftnative 3103 Share Posted March 16, 2013 What measures exist to stop one side blowing something out of proportion to get the other banned? If one side attempts to communicate (something the server has a severe lack of at every single level) with the other side OOCly, and the other side gets angry, the one who attempted to communicate can be banned. How can you expect people not to go straight to ban reports when it's no longer safe for them to try to work things out peacefully with the other side? I think that, as-long as your posts are civil (which'll be judged by the GM team) you will not need to worry about being punished. Basically, if you cannot be rational when trying to communicate - you'll get slapped. Or so I'm led to believe ;p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilara(lotteje13) 227 Share Posted March 16, 2013 THIS this has been on my mind for so ******* long... everything gets taken to ooc and gets changed in to flame wars about **** even the slightest powergaming :I if you where back in Aegis you just go with it or rp void it and do a dodge :D like come on guys get your stuff together and just rp :I same goes for in ooc chat pissing ppl off like me ... getting real anoying you know ((sorry for the cursing >_<)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyCoffee 516 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Finaaaaaallllyyyyyyyyyy. I'm sick of this constant OOC conflict. Thanks so much, Rittsyboiiii Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwaldar 132 Share Posted March 16, 2013 People argue about everything, and no matter how much you tell them to shut up, they'll find something to cry about. This is why I hate everything equally. It makes sure that I can easily make fun out of things, which grants me satisfaction and some complementary laughs. Just don't be surprised when something similar starts up again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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