Your View: Villainy

[Harri 4815]

I remember more 'mina or die' back when we had VA's than now.

 

I'm being serious, once you stop pitching a fit at people for being villains, you find out that they aren't awful. Besides, victims are often worse RP'ers than villains.

That's exactly it. As a soldier, our leader was insulted. We walked up to the girl who insulted him and started intimidating her. Only to be met with emotes like. "Girl kinda shrugs as she is grabbed by the hair. I mean, it's just typical this type of RP happened to her." What do you EXPECT a group of soldiers to do? Honestly. I've never seen a problem with 'villain' RP. This whole thing, I feel, is people just calling other player-bases 'villains' because they can't accept that they attacked them for a valid reason, and just want something to clutch onto that they're in the right, and the others are in the wrong.

[Birdnerdy 1539]

It seems that the people still defending VA's still don't get why we dislike them.

The reason the vast majority of the server is crying out against the VA system is simply because it is too restricting. We don't want to play a villain. We want to play our normal, everyday character, and not some peace loving platypus instead. Everything in the lesser evils is something that shouldn't be restricted, and even then the greater evils are up for debate whether they need a VA/Permision to carry out, such as torture due to it being something that does need OOC consent. However, with the restrictions being put in, we now need to fill out something that labels us as a 'villain'. What if your character was a Knight in shining armour, riding along to save a beautiful maiden from some bandits? You draw your sword, advance towards and- Woops, you're not a 'villain' you need a VA to do that. See the point? They're not a villain, but he still needs to be a 'villain' to carry out something he should have full access to. Now, in a previous response to something else I said, 501 did state that he could see the problems with the lesser evils and was planning to make the whole thing simpler and possibly even drop the lesser evils altogether, which I'm glad he's taken into account. As for the people still defending it, I can't help but notice that you happen to either be a character that fits under the greater evils section: a mentally unstable person who has clear reasons why they would go about torturing and murdering as they please, or an extremely peaceful character: A druid or a monk who would never have a need for the VA's in the first place. If it's something you wish to use as an OOC shield to defend yourself from attackers, suit yourself, but keep in mind it will hurt more of the community than better it with it's restrictions. 

 

We don't all want to be mass-murdering villains. We just want to have our normal character be free to do what they should be able to do.

Sink me! You stole the words right out of me mouth!

[Maletone Blazebeard (Aqua) 130]

My view on the current situation is to see how this all plays out, give the VA's time..give it a month or two and then see what it's like then rage if you need to. Don't hate something before you can give it a bit of time (Yes I know we have had it before but lets see how it plays out again)

[Space 2335]

My view on the current situation is to see how this all plays out, give the VA's time..give it a month or two and then see what it's like then rage if you need to. Don't hate something before you can give it a bit of time (Yes I know we have had it before but lets see how it plays out again)

 

Why, though?

[Maletone Blazebeard (Aqua) 130]

Why, though?

 

Some people are just raging because others are raging we have a lot of new players who joined that never experienced VA's and are just raging because they don't know what they are.  Space I am aware you dont like them and feel they restrict freedom. But they dont, they dont say you /Can never/ do this it just says "Hey, have an application so we know you can do this properly"

[Priceflash 832]

Some people are just raging because others are raging we have a lot of new players who joined that never experienced VA's and are just raging because they don't know what they are.  Space I am aware you dont like them and feel they restrict freedom. But they dont, they dont say you /Can never/ do this it just says "Hey, have an application so we know you can do this properly"

That's why we have an application to join the server.

 

If they can't RP villains correctly, why would they be able to roleplay anything else correctly?

 

we don't need extra apps

[Kalehart 1096]

If the apps have to be kept, I want them simplified. As ex VAT I understand the issues with the old system, and think that they can be fixed in large part by simply making the app less limiting.

 

Killing with provocation should not be something people need to apply for. If someone is about to stab your daughter, you're going to do something about it. If someone is trying to kill you, you're going to kill them back if you have no other way- that doesn't make you a villain.

[IrishPerson 693]

It's not hard, the community does not want it. Stop being lazy and just enforce the blacklist, not that difficult.

[argonian 14254]

Some people are just raging because others are raging we have a lot of new players who joined that never experienced VA's and are just raging because they don't know what they are.  Space I am aware you dont like them and feel they restrict freedom. But they dont, they dont say you /Can never/ do this it just says "Hey, have an application so we know you can do this properly"

We also have dozens who remember how terribad they were. And yes they do restrict freedom. Character development was and is now again really awkward and unnatural because you have to have an app filled in and wait days before you can progress with certain things. The guy killing your friend is not gonna wait for you to apply for provoked killing.

[shiftnative 3103]

 

Not to mention that period where many used LOOC to ask "Do you have a VA for that..?" when certain events occurred.

Having villain apps also create a significantly larger learning curve for those who join, no bueno!

 

[nordicg_d 1847]

 

It's funny how many people are posting on a your view without reading the post in full.

 

I love how approachable and understanding you are. You make a great VAT lead. Thank you for your service.

[Cyndikate 2303]

NordicGod for admin man.

[๖ۣۜ§osa (E.G.I.E.) 520]

I love how approachable and understanding you are. You make a great VAT lead. Thank you for your service.

 

Forreal lol

 

NordicGod for admin man.

[Lima 774]

So first before we move forward let me get something off my chest; Do not blame Menarra for the post he made at my request. The post for the MAT/VAT push was written by myself and passed to Menarra for posting, As such I take the responsibility for my actions.

 

So this is factually incorrect. The current system we have now is a slightly modified system of what me and Menarra created back when he first became a administrator a few months ago. During that time, myself and Menarra co-wrote the blacklist system, the raid pass idea and common evils (named by us as evils justified to a normal man in dire circumstances.) and greater evils system. 

 

When we first made it, it was a design note that upon application to the server every single new player would acquire a common evils when applied and everyone else would be grandfathered in. They just stood as a standing point for what Greater Evils was.

 

This meant everyone could commit a certain level of evil and, as long as they performed it in a fair and enjoyable manner then they would see nothing bad happen. If they screwed up on it, they would be blacklisted. Most importantly however, they were all grandfathered in. Everyone had common evil, it was just a benchmark.

 

Currently we see that everyone has to apply and 'opt in', showing that the mentality towards the system I had made has changed. I with Menarra had created a system that I viewed improved upon the old VA system, by allowing only application for prime evil players and a expectation they kept in character past that point.

 

This system requires that the common evil is ditched and instead a always opt in ''Do you have a VA for that'?' is made. The adminstrative backend is seemingly unnecessary and it makes a large amount of red tape of what was going to be in the system I had created back then. Instead of there being a short list of evil characters we have a list encompassing the entire playerbase of the server for a bland ''lesser evil'' app that serves no purpose.

 

Thus, as a person who can atleast say they contributed to the creation of this VA system inadvertently, that I do not approve of it at all and it has lost the original design intentions entirely. I would offer to fix it however, at least show the community what I had in mind instead, but you appear to have created the VA system on the google document I own and hadn't touched for 4 months and I don't want to destroy this work. 

[Free The Hobbits 859]

You are acting very smug for a community that is against you, respectable in a way.

 

So, either way we look at it right now it is very clear by whole nations disapproving and a petition by other people to make sure VA's do not come back. What did they ever solve to begin with? Nobody actually stuck to their Villain App and more times than none people never actually cared to begin with. Nobody wants a new system and the minority that complains complain because their villains keep losing. We don't need to fix the villain mentality, we need to fix the sore losers and the complainers who lose their pixels.

 

oh, and if you seriously want me to say platypus there.