Your View: Villainy

[Samsan99 274]

Im not sure if its been talked about at all but it hasnt as far as I seen, Wasnt one of the original reasons for removal of MA and VA to try get rid of the elitism that was going on with people that had the apps. Now I look at the VA and how it says that villain RP is "at A higher stranded" wont that just bring it back even worse than what it was before?

 

and Did the blacklist system fail so much that this is needed? and if it did who's fault is it, Ours or yours? Couldnt that be worked on and been fixed before this happened.

 

Go with one or three From the post it sounds more like its the GM team half at fault for not using what they had set up for them. Party the players for also not doing it but if they didnt want to take the time to file a report its their fault.

[WuHanXianShi14 0]

There really wasn't a problem that required this controversial of a solution in the first place. You invented one where none existed, with no warning to the community.

 

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I go with option 3. Remove VAs all together, just do it.

[meg 1994]

I do not think the staff is addressing the issue correctly, I do not see the need for VA’s

 

I honestly do not know about MAs as I haven't seen a magic user yet.

 

What I think the server requires is toughness from the staff team.

 

You  are facing a decline in quality roleplay because the server seems to allow the following.

 

• Trolls to be exact Toxic trolls - People that have nothing better to do but log in to the server to troll and pvp they do not provide any sort of decent roleplay.

• Memers I do not understand this new concept honestly but the staff said no to it but I still see it ingame and I do not see the staff banning people for it.

• The requirement of hard evidence to ban alts - we used to ban on suspicion or knowing via ts or wtv method..

• Fear of lash back because of banning trolls

• Fear of being targeted by DDOSS

 

The solution is simple BAN ban ban.

 

If you want to have quality roleplay ban the toxic trolls, perhaps you won't ban all of them but.

 

There are specific people in certain groups that if you ban them you cut off the head of the snake.

 

I do not understand the staff fear of lash back since the staff used to ban leaders of groups for the action of their members.

 

I shall give the example of both Mirtok and Coaster while none of the two are trolls or toxic. And wether I agree with there bans or not, they still got banned for the actions of people in there group that were toxic to the community.

 

The staff needs to become tough and start banning people you do not require VA’s it won't even solve anything. You require the trolls fearing to be banned so they shape up their act.

 

If I was a staff member I would not stand for people trolling in roleplay I would first message the trolls and if they continue they would receive a ban nor would I care about the repercussions.

The toxic trolls are widely known to the staff members, use lbchat or follow them ingame take screens over the toxic behavior and ban them its simple.

 

GIFs aside, I'd like to bring up the slow, or fast, deterioration of the definition of "permanent" bans in LOTC.

 

About 2 ish years ago, give or take, as far as I remember, the only thing you got permabanned for was if you cyber'd, if you hacked (but that changed) and if you repeatedly got banned for short periods of time. The staff, at some point, decided that they need to keep players so these "toxic" players who kept getting banned then posting appeals were allowed back in. You know what this did? This let them know that they got away with it. And they will continue to get away with it, until you put your foot down and say no. There are different circumstances when it comes to when to be firm and when to listen and compromise. And honestly I think we have it backwards. Don't give in to the trolls and "toxic" players, and don't be completely dead-set on something the community does not want. Ban the shitters, keep banning the shitters, and do not unban the shitters. Listen to the community, and adjust accordingly. 

[Heff 2460]

When making a Feedback thread, its best not to defend your point of view when the point of the thread is to gain an idea of what the players are thinking. Don't try to defend your argument  clearly they DO NOT WANT VAs
 

[DecoLamb 959]

I do not think the staff is addressing the issue correctly, I do not see the need for VA’s

 

I honestly do not know about MAs as I haven't seen a magic user yet.

 

What I think the server requires is toughness from the staff team.

 

You  are facing a decline in quality roleplay because the server seems to allow the following.

 

• Trolls to be exact Toxic trolls - People that have nothing better to do but log in to the server to troll and pvp they do not provide any sort of decent roleplay.

• Memers I do not understand this new concept honestly but the staff said no to it but I still see it ingame and I do not see the staff banning people for it.

• The requirement of hard evidence to ban alts - we used to ban on suspicion or knowing via ts or wtv method..

• Fear of lash back because of banning trolls

• Fear of being targeted by DDOSS

 

The solution is simple BAN ban ban.

 

If you want to have quality roleplay ban the toxic trolls, perhaps you won't ban all of them but.

 

There are specific people in certain groups that if you ban them you cut off the head of the snake.

 

I do not understand the staff fear of lash back since the staff used to ban leaders of groups for the action of their members.

 

I shall give the example of both Mirtok and Coaster while none of the two are trolls or toxic. And wether I agree with there bans or not, they still got banned for the actions of people in there group that were toxic to the community.

 

The staff needs to become tough and start banning people you do not require VA’s it won't even solve anything. You require the trolls fearing to be banned so they shape up their act.

 

If I was a staff member I would not stand for people trolling in roleplay I would first message the trolls and if they continue they would receive a ban nor would I care about the repercussions.

The toxic trolls are widely known to the staff members, use lbchat or follow them ingame take screens over the toxic behavior and ban them its simple.

 

I agree with everything right here, so I'll use this to cut out most of my post will saying platypus.

 

By the way, having a little requirement in your post, its a little condescending. Please don't do this, I'm honestly not trying to sound rude, but as soon as I read that little line, my face just scrunched up, and my first thought was "Did this waffle-licker just do what i think he did..?" And completely derailed the actual seriousness of the decently thought out post you had made.

 

But seriously, the staff just needs to stand up and be staff. Making more applications isn't going to solve these problems. Removing the actual problem gets rid of the problem. You don't put a bandage on a rotten limb, you amputate it.

 

The vast majority of the server has told the staff this isn't going to work. And please, look at the history of the server and learn from it. It did not help ANYTHING back in the day. It never will. The oldest of players who have been here from the start remember that it started without VAs, and it was good. Staff banned people when they did toxic things. I remember way back in aegis I started being a right ***** to someone and I was banned for like 5 hours or somethign, cant even remember. I needed that, and I deserved it.

 

We donate tons of money all the time, I see plenty of bedrock donater and aether, I know there is more than enough money for hosting and protection. Stop being afraid of the trolls and just ban them.

 

Please, operate as actual staff members. I've experienced real staff, I have been staff in other games. This is not how game moderators, admins, DMs, or developers should act. Please realize that even though you did volunteer for this, and we respect and praise you for it, that you need to actually act like the position you hold.

 

[Trips 344]

If this was truly the reason, why wasn't RP default implemented instead of this? I reckon it would've caused a similar uproar, but not as bad. (platypus?)

 

I might edit this because I haven't read the entire post yet.

[Rissing 199]

I find it hilarious to as a first see that almost none of you have read the full post, derp.
So regardless of that, I like the VAs.

I'll repeat what I repeated about a year ago when the VAs were removed.


A blind man doesn't cry every day because he can't see.
A man whose eyes you take away will cry for ages for his puny eyes.

( Pretty much discribes the community now. )



Anyhow I like the VAs and have always liked them.
Eventhough I sometimes dislikes making them, platypus, I still like the result that they brought with them.

Because seriously there was a lot less horrible roleplay back in the days.
Nowadays it's rather hard even to find some proper evil roleplay out there.


But hey if we go back to the blacklist and it's going to be far harsher and about 75% of the villains will get blacklisted.
( That number won't be so far off even. )

I guess that's fine with me to.
Though I still prefer Villain Applications.

Just make the application and gather the fruits later on ?
It's really worth it, to give it a try!

[argonian 14254]

I find it hilarious to as a first see that almost none of you have read the full post, derp.

So regardless of that, I like the VAs.

I'll repeat what I repeated about a year ago when the VAs were removed.

A blind man doesn't cry every day because he can't see.

A man whose eyes you take away will cry for ages for his puny eyes.

( Pretty much discribes the community now. )

Anyhow I like the VAs and have always liked them.

Eventhough I sometimes dislikes making them, platypus, I still like the result that they brought with them.

Because seriously there was a lot less horrible roleplay back in the days.

Nowadays it's rather hard even to find some proper evil roleplay out there.

But hey if we go back to the blacklist and it's going to be far harsher and about 75% of the villains will get blacklisted.

( That number won't be so far off even. )

I guess that's fine with me to.

Though I still prefer Villain Applications.

Just make the application and gather the fruits later on ?

It's really worth it, to give it a try!

We all read it. We just aren't gonna say platypus every post because a condescending GM asked us to.

[Harri 4815]

I find it hilarious to as a first see that almost none of you have read the full post, derp.

So regardless of that, I like the VAs.

I'll repeat what I repeated about a year ago when the VAs were removed.

A blind man doesn't cry every day because he can't see.

A man whose eyes you take away will cry for ages for his puny eyes.

( Pretty much discribes the community now. )

Anyhow I like the VAs and have always liked them.

Eventhough I sometimes dislikes making them, platypus, I still like the result that they brought with them.

Because seriously there was a lot less horrible roleplay back in the days.

Nowadays it's rather hard even to find some proper evil roleplay out there.

But hey if we go back to the blacklist and it's going to be far harsher and about 75% of the villains will get blacklisted.

( That number won't be so far off even. )

I guess that's fine with me to.

Though I still prefer Villain Applications.

Just make the application and gather the fruits later on ?

It's really worth it, to give it a try!

It seems that the people still defending VA's still don't get why we dislike them.

The reason the vast majority of the server is crying out against the VA system is simply because it is too restricting. We don't want to play a villain. We want to play our normal, everyday character, and not some peace loving platypus instead. Everything in the lesser evils is something that shouldn't be restricted, and even then the greater evils are up for debate whether they need a VA/Permision to carry out, such as torture due to it being something that does need OOC consent. However, with the restrictions being put in, we now need to fill out something that labels us as a 'villain'. What if your character was a Knight in shining armour, riding along to save a beautiful maiden from some bandits? You draw your sword, advance towards and- Woops, you're not a 'villain' you need a VA to do that. See the point? They're not a villain, but he still needs to be a 'villain' to carry out something he should have full access to. Now, in a previous response to something else I said, 501 did state that he could see the problems with the lesser evils and was planning to make the whole thing simpler and possibly even drop the lesser evils altogether, which I'm glad he's taken into account. As for the people still defending it, I can't help but notice that you happen to either be a character that fits under the greater evils section: a mentally unstable person who has clear reasons why they would go about torturing and murdering as they please, or an extremely peaceful character: A druid or a monk who would never have a need for the VA's in the first place. If it's something you wish to use as an OOC shield to defend yourself from attackers, suit yourself, but keep in mind it will hurt more of the community than better it with it's restrictions. 

 

We don't all want to be mass-murdering villains. We just want to have our normal character be free to do what they should be able to do.

[Rissing 199]

It seems that the people still defending VA's still don't get why we dislike them.

The reason the vast majority of the server is crying out against the VA system is simply because it is too restricting. We don't want to play a villain. We want to play our normal, everyday character, and not some peace loving platypus instead. Everything in the lesser evils is something that shouldn't be restricted, and even then the greater evils are up for debate whether they need a VA/Permision to carry out, such as torture due to it being something that does need OOC consent. However, with the restrictions being put in, we now need to fill out something that labels us as a 'villain'. What if your character was a Knight in shining armour, riding along to save a beautiful maiden from some bandits? You draw your sword, advance towards and- Woops, you're not a 'villain' you need a VA to do that. See the point? They're not a villain, but he still needs to be a 'villain' to carry out something he should have full access to. Now, in a previous response to something else I said, 501 did state that he could see the problems with the lesser evils and was planning to make the whole thing simpler and possibly even drop the lesser evils altogether, which I'm glad he's taken into account. As for the people still defending it, I can't help but notice that you happen to either be a character that fits under the greater evils section: a mentally unstable person who has clear reasons why they would go about torturing and murdering as they please, or an extremely peaceful character: A druid or a monk who would never have a need for the VA's in the first place. If it's something you wish to use as an OOC shield to defend yourself from attackers, suit yourself, but keep in mind it will hurt more of the community than better it with it's restrictions. 

 

We don't all want to be mass-murdering villains. We just want to have our normal character be free to do what they should be able to do.

I get what you write and all.

And to be honest I've not even done a single villainous act in the past months because I don't have the time for it.

I agree with you on the lesser evils, but honestly pick up your roleplay when you're doing bad stuff.

Because sorry for being rude here, but the last three villains I've seen where utter ****.

It's always been able to do stuff with OOC consent, just get a screenshot stating that you had their word you could do it and done.

They can't do a thing against you in a banreport.

That's how people used to do it back in the days and there was no problem.

But nowadays you have these people running around, void character, no reasoning, no idea what they're doing it for.

Just random crap roleplay.

So yeah, sure I vote for VAs then.

I don't mind the MAs to be honest, but the VAs I think are a good thing.

But hey, it's like a 1 versus 100 here, because I'm the only one being vocal about my oppinion.

Anyhow I have a party I've got to get to, have a nice day.

[Harri 4815]

I get what you write and all.

And to be honest I've not even done a single villainous act in the past months because I don't have the time for it.

I agree with you on the lesser evils, but honestly pick up your roleplay when you're doing bad stuff.

Because sorry for being rude here, but the last three villains I've seen where utter ****.

It's always been able to do stuff with OOC consent, just get a screenshot stating that you had their word you could do it and done.

They can't do a thing against you in a banreport.

That's how people used to do it back in the days and there was no problem.

But nowadays you have these people running around, void character, no reasoning, no idea what they're doing it for.

Just random crap roleplay.

So yeah, sure I vote for VAs then.

I don't mind the MAs to be honest, but the VAs I think are a good thing.

But hey, it's like a 1 versus 100 here, because I'm the only one being vocal about my oppinion.

Anyhow I have a party I've got to get to, have a nice day.

Ok, I respect you're being vocal about this against the minority. Something not a lot do. But the fact is, you're still not getting the point. We don't want to be villains. We just want the freedom to do with our character as we please, and not live like some platypus under a tree. Ok, some 'villains' have come along and provided utter garbage RP, but that's not a cause to restrict the entire server now. And as you've just said, you haven't done a villainous act in a while, so you don't really care too much about the VA's. The people who do need to do villainous acts as their character's job shouldn't have to now be told whether they can or can't do that type of RP they enjoy, based on an application. The solution to the garbage RP is either a better blacklist system, or dedicated GM's to watch more carefully at 'villain' RP and deem whether or not it is good enough or not.

[zaezae 1098]

I remember more 'mina or die' back when we had VA's than now.

 

I'm being serious, once you stop pitching a fit at people for being villains, you find out that they aren't awful. Besides, victims are often worse RP'ers than villains.

[Rissing 199]

Ok, I respect you're being vocal about this against the minority. Something not a lot do. But the fact is, you're still not getting the point. We don't want to be villains. We just want the freedom to do with our character as we please. Ok, some 'villains' have come along and provided utter garbage RP, but that's not a cause to restrict the entire server now. And as you've just said, you haven't done a villainous act in a while, so you don't really care too much about the VA's. The people who do need to do villainous acts as their character's job shouldn't have to now be told whether they can or can't do that type of RP they enjoy, based on an application. The solution to the garbage RP is either a better blacklist system, or dedicated GM's to watch more carefully at 'villain' RP and deem whether or not it is good enough or not.

I understand that not everyone wants to be a villain, but like I've said already before.

Back in the days, and all stuff we did back in the days still works now, you take a screenshot from you both saying you agree that one can do 'etc etc' and it's fine.

But at least you're filtering out the completely stupid random stuff.

All these random knights and kings that run around being gods and doing whatever the -bad word- they please because they belong to the bigger nation.

It's like a comic, nowadays. ;)

Anyhow I'll check back tomorrow evening.

I have to go now and if I'm late I'm gonna have an angry lady hitting me all evening long..

[monkeypoacher 8055]

I remember more 'mina or die' back when we had VA's than now.

 

I'm being serious, once you stop pitching a fit at people for being villains, you find out that they aren't awful. Besides, victims are often worse RP'ers than villains.

 

Why aren't you a GM, zaebos?

 

 

But at least you're filtering out the completely stupid random stuff.

All these random knights and kings that run around being gods and doing whatever the -bad word- they please because they belong to the bigger nation.

It's like a comic, nowadays. ;)

 

That's basically the middle ages for you. Men of the sword going around committing lawlessness? How unrealistic and comic!

[zaezae 1098]

Why aren't you a GM, zaebos?

Because I have a compulsive posting habit on the forums and say things without thinking them over.

 

That and I play like five hours a week.