Cjmate 1252 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Realism > Magic. The might of Oren shall back this unless they don't care. Which is likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2088 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 Some people understand better when it is explained with detail (like Jade did). The world won't explode if he thinks too hard about it. I believe he made this so people would understand how it works from a more technical way, which aids in the precision of their role-play. It's helpful, for many seem to ignore even the magic about it, they seem to not know or understand what the curse is about, and this really facilitates its asimilation. Plus, some people already told him the same thing in the first page. There's no point in repeating the same thing over and over. No one's going to die if he explains the biology behind it. Sure, the curse was magic, that is implied. However, it affects mortal beings biologically, so it is natural someone wants to explain it that way. I would like to point out I am a she. ^^;; but yeah, I kinda like knowing a more realistic reason. If its cured, awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PtahWithin 1318 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Some people understand better when it is explained with detail (like Jade did). The world won't explode if he thinks too hard about it. I believe he made this so people would understand how it works from a more technical way, which aids in the precision of their role-play. It's helpful, for many seem to ignore even the magic about it, they seem to not know or understand what the curse is about, and this really facilitates its asimilation. Plus, some people already told him the same thing in the first page. There's no point in repeating the same thing over and over. No one's going to die if he explains the biology behind it. Sure, the curse was magic, that is implied. However, it affects mortal beings biologically, so it is natural someone wants to explain it that way. Who is to say there is any biology to explain to begin with? Why do we presuppose the existence of sperm, eggs, genes even, in this fantasy world? Moreover, what exaclty does it mean for a magical curse to affect someone biologically? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2088 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 Who is to say there is any biology to explain to begin with? Why do we presuppose the existence of sperm, eggs, genes even, in this fantasy world? Moreover, what exaclty does it mean for a magical curse to affect someone biologically? It was just my way of understanding things T_T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleatic 1033 Share Posted April 24, 2014 This is the stance of the Lore Team. Iblees cursed the mortals with magic, not genetic modification. WHY NOT MAGICAL GENETIC MODIFICATION. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aedan The Bard 350 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Who is to say there is any biology to explain to begin with? Why do we presuppose the existence of sperm, eggs, genes even, in this fantasy world? Moreover, what exaclty does it mean for a magical curse to affect someone biologically? Because, since like ever, anything related to anatomy has been handled like in real life, meaning the tissues are like those from real life; meaning pretty much everything that is organic or biological, and even most non-organic entities, is like in real life. Realism, remember? It's there even if you can not see it. In essence: Who is to say there is no biology to explain to begin with? ;) Is it hard to notice this is someone's ooc reasoning behind the server's lore? It shouldn't be hard. Is it hard to tell this won't change the lore that already exists? I doubt it. Really, though, no one's imposing science in role-play. Of course, we don't have magic in real life, so we recur to biology, physics, science as a whole to understand what we can not understand because, evidently, our world is not like the fantasy world our characters live in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypoacher 6993 Share Posted April 24, 2014 10 eggs is ridiculous. It would allow one non-disjunction in meiosis to potentially doom the entire elven race to a mutation that potentially causes a disorder. I just think that it'd more or less be slow cycles and more invalid sperm/eggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamaBearJade 2088 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 10 eggs is ridiculous. It would allow one non-disjunction in meiosis to potentially doom the entire elven race to a mutation that potentially causes a disorder. I just think that it'd more or less be slow cycles and more invalid sperm/eggs. so more duds and slow cycles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
excited 10834 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I genuinely thought that the curse was a magical sort of thing, like an unbreakable enchantment of sorts on the genetic codes of each race. I'm not sure the idea is specifically specific in the canon lore... But, according to LotC's lore, half-breeds get 100% of BOTH curses afflicting their lives. ie Half elf half human would suffer infertility and a short human life, Half orc half dwarf would lust for both gold and blood, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonian 12845 Share Posted April 24, 2014 It was just my way of understanding things T_T What is there not to understand about a magical being casting a magic spell and making Elves less likely to have children? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmondTree 418 Share Posted April 24, 2014 As if this is enforced anyways please.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lago 2569 Share Posted April 24, 2014 The problem with explaining it as a wholly genetic affliction is that you could breed it out, and if it's wholly biological it's possible with enough research and magic-based healing to cure it. This isn't the case, the curse remains in full force down the entire bloodline. It's also, come to think of it, probably the origin of the human and High Elven distaste for crossed bloodlines: once the curse is in you can't get it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1097 Share Posted April 24, 2014 In my opinion, you are talking about the chances of female elves getting pregnant. However, there are more complications to the elven curse than the ones you mentioned: Following the bits of lore here and there we can assume getting pregnant is merely 30 - 40% of the curse's complications. During pregnancy, due to the curse, there are higher chances of having an abortion, or dying along with the child, before or during birth, than there is the chance of having a healthy child, implying there's still the child's health factor to be considered. In addition, the hormonal situation of both, females and males, would set things up so attraction to the opposite sex is more likely to happen due to many factors, except hormonal (unless the female is ovulating). This is connected to the main issue at hand, which is sterility. This situation removes sexual attraction, and leaves nothing but whatever the individuals find interesting about their counterpart to actually spend the rest of their lives together. To be simple: Elves are very unlikely to find each other attractive because they unconsciously seek a good match to preserve their species. Taking their long lives into account, their focus on preserving their species should be minimal, if not occasional. With all this considered, you realize elves have no good reason to have sexual intercourses, because there is a high chance the female will die if she gets pregnant, and there is no strong hormonal activity that makes them sexually attractive, but merely physically or emotionally appealing. My point? Most elves should stop acting like wild monkeys and act coherently to their situation. They really have no reason to be having sexual intercourses on an almost weekly basis, unless the couple is really desperate to have a child, which is risky. In addition, there would be no hormonal pleasure to make them feel "sex" is a rewarding experience. It is pointless, and would feel pointless. They wouldn´t get excited, they wouldn´t find it significantly important. Scientific studies show that an infertile human being is not as sexually attractive as a fertile one. The background natural mental processes pretty much conclude there is no point in having sexual intercourses if their partner is highly unlikely to be capable of playing their role in the creation of an offspring. Magic or not, this all still has an effect and acts in reaction to the magic curse. Magic is essentially another point of view of what science likes to study. They are two sides of the same coin, ladies and gentlemen. (I'm happy I am finally able to explain all this so people can read it!) There are several false assumptions that your argument is based on. 1) Elves would have no genetic imperative to reproduce. Elves are living creatures, and by that definition, they are both capable of and partake in reproduction. This is something all life MUST do to continue on. Elves are still around because they reproduce. Life that doesn't feel an obligation to reproduce, or in the case for mammals, have sex, ultimately dies. Therefore, elves must feel an urge to reproduce, or in other words, have sex as evidenced by their continual existence. 2) Elves feel no reward from reproduction. For the same reasons stated above, elves must feel reward for reproduction, otherwise they would simply not reproduce. Some elves might make a logical decision to try and conceive, however, this wouldn't be enough to account for the amount of elves that would die early unless the entire eleven species is based solely on the monks reviving them. We fee reward hormones for doing things it wants us to. Eating, for example, feels good. Reproduction shouldn't, and my opinion, isn't any different. 3) Practical reasons are the only reason elves would attempt reproducing. This one is sorta hard to take seriously. All I will ask is how many humans 'attempt to reproduce' because of how practical to their life situation? Close to none. There has to be a reason. It can be anything from the reward of fulfilling the genetic obligation to reproduce or there is some sort of gratification. I would argue, because of this outside force (curse) that elves might actually attempt to reproduce even /more/ feverishly. However, that isn't something I'd like to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lago 2569 Share Posted April 24, 2014 1) Elves would have no genetic imperative to reproduce. They live for almost a thousand years. It's not exactly pressing. 2) Elves feel no reward from reproduction. Completely possible that they do not. Elves aren't just pointy-eared humans. If you want a human example, there are plenty of things we do that we don't enjoy because we comprehend them to be necessary. It's wholly possible that the elven race doesn't enjoy FTB one bit and just gets on with it when necessary. 3) Practical reasons are the only reason elves would attempt reproducing. If 2 is true then 3 is true. I counter your argument here by restating that elves are not humans. In brief, it's possible that elves derive no pleasure from FTB. I personally don't think elven children should be thing given how incompatible the timescales of elven lives are with the timescales of LotC. I think it would be better if the elven race became completely infertile, and elves now look for other ways to ensure the survival of their kind. I'm sure all the elven children and fans of FTB RP would disagree with me on that one though. :P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaezae 1097 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Woah now, I'm not arguing that we need FTB, I just contest that there would be /zero/ reproductive instinct simply because well, no living creature we know of is devoid of reproduction completely. Remember, living for a long time is different from living forever. If any of your members die, you have to replace them, or the entire species die. I know they aren't humans, but reproduction is just a common theme for all species. Besides, elves can show affection or intimacy. That'd naturally lead to children in rare cases. Remember, we do things we don't like usually because there is something going to happen that we do like. Even something as simple as cashing a check can elicit a physical response. However, how I always saw it was that it'd be something that elves would naturally have to do, and so their genes wouldn't make it an unfun thing to do. After all, genes of those nature wouldn't be passed as quickly. I simply assumed that it'd be something that happens every once in a while, but happened outside of 'need babies'. I personally do not see anything wrong with elves behaving like natural beings. I'm not sure how giving an entirely different angle of RP the ax for an entire race would be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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