Marshi 1082 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2023 Player(s) Involved Illuminaire, Marshimellow, Beamon4, Nectorist Explanation So around three or so days ago, Illuminaire and I discussed the Arrest of Beamon4’s character. We started going over the different laws he had broken irp and had discussed this irp yesterday. Once those involved had started writing the document someone leaked the link, after which they immediately started pinging in the Adrian discord and took OOC action against Illuminaire. This was not the only problem, Beamon and Nectorist had then started rallying their people to announce the terms of ‘Rumors and plots’ Rumors about a situation that had not even been stated fully in rp to anyone but those closely involved. All of this being based around a letter that had not even been posted on the forums yet nor been spread to those we had hoped would sign off on it irp before anything like that was to happen. This is now going further to attempt to hunt down characters involved. If you would like the link to the document feel free to contact me on discord. Relevant Material Evidence https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ztqYJQeqkBMY8fN2kTacTzWN0ShhA9119HRm869Xywg/edit?usp=sharing 03/16/23 Evidence of uncooperative conduct. Evidence None provided. Before posting on this thread, please review the Report Rules. 40 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
valecu 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I would like to further add onto this report that Nectorist has committed this grievance of posting leaked documents and harassing the people involved publicly by hinting at who they are or directly naming them through discord servers. Some time ago (months, maybe at this point year.), similar happened with him doing the same when me and some others had been involved in coup against his nation. (He did not name people directly then, just announced his vassals to be careful about it by leaking the document to them, but the text included signatures of the players’ personas so in sense anybody who scrolled to the bottom, would have known those rebels.) Sadly (But not really, because I’m having great time with no LOTC), I have been away for the past week, counting tomorrow, so I don’t have an access to my PC and I am not able to provide any evidence if such can be found in my saved screenshots. Yet, many have made witness to the things mentioned above. Good night. 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nectorist 7423 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2023 48 minutes ago, valecu said: I would like to further add onto this report Nectorist has committed this grievance of posting leaked documents and harassing the people involved publicly by hinting at who they are or directly naming them through discord servers. Some time ago (months, maybe at this point year.), similar happened with him doing the same when me and some others had been involved in coup against his nation. (He did not name people directly then, just announced his vassals to be careful about it by leaking the document to them.) I mean dude, when you guys plot OOCly you're going to be called out OOCly lol. It's not "harassment" to point out when people are couping OOCly when that's... the exact thing they're doing. I'm not saying anyone is evil here, I'm not saying anyone is a morally worse person for being involved in a Minecraft coup (who cares), but I am drawing to attention what people are doing OOCly on the only medium where you can address what's happening I'd like to note that the actual attempted coup of Beamon really doesn't have any RP basis. The issues that they list are either things people legitimately don't care about, or are clear fabrications (e.g. they're trying to twist zuziee leaving the server for mental health reasons into an RP jab at Beamon). I'll let Beamon pull up receipts, but this is obviously a post that itself is being made as a result of RP info being spread around. Furthermore, you can see this "OOC" behavior perpetuated by the leadership of the side that attempted to coup. https://gyazo.com/c455c9a46259b1ecd560c7ad4cc3f4c1 Right now you guys are trying to OOCly perpetuate that Beamon wants to remake Oren (not true) and fight Haense to take Ruska (??). Not only is this a clear OOC fearmongering tactic, but it also betrays the real reason behind the coup: you guys were worried that Beamon is going to rebel. Funny that this doc was made then when there's no IRP evidence leaning towards that, absolutely nothing to go off of. I thought responding OOCly to stuff people have done OOCly is bad? It's kind of silly that people try to have their cake and eat it too. If you're making OOC plots and organizing OOCly and preparing the coup OOCly and starting up rumors OOCly and messaging people to fearmonger OOCly then I don't see why us respond to these OOC (out of character) maneuvers is at all ban-worthy. How to we IRPly respond to Discord plotting that isn't on the server? Are we supposed to let the people who are organizing these plots on Discord just blindside us? What is the logic here. 48 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon 3965 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2023 29 minutes ago, Nectorist said: I mean dude, when you guys plot OOCly you're going to be called out OOCly lol. It's not "harassment" to point out when people are couping OOCly when that's... the exact thing they're doing. I'm not saying anyone is evil here, I'm not saying anyone is a morally worse person for being involved in a Minecraft coup (who cares), but I am drawing to attention what people are doing OOCly on the only medium where you can address what's happening I'd like to note that the actual attempted coup of Beamon really doesn't have any RP basis. The issues that they list are either things people legitimately don't care about, or are clear fabrications (e.g. they're trying to twist zuziee leaving the server for mental health reasons into an RP jab at Beamon). I'll let Beamon pull up receipts, but this is obviously a post that itself is being made as a result of RP info being spread around. Furthermore, you can see this "OOC" behavior perpetuated by the leadership of the side that attempted to coup. https://gyazo.com/c455c9a46259b1ecd560c7ad4cc3f4c1 Right now you guys are trying to OOCly perpetuate that Beamon wants to remake Oren (not true) and fight Haense to take Ruska (??). Not only is this a clear OOC fearmongering tactic, but it also betrays the real reason behind the coup: you guys were worried that Beamon is going to rebel. Funny that this doc was made then when there's no IRP evidence leaning towards that, absolutely nothing to go off of. I thought responding OOCly to stuff people have done OOCly is bad? It's kind of silly that people try to have their cake and eat it too. If you're making OOC plots and organizing OOCly and preparing the coup OOCly and starting up rumors OOCly and messaging people to fearmonger OOCly then I don't see why us respond to these OOC (out of character) maneuvers is at all ban-worthy. How to we IRPly respond to Discord plotting that isn't on the server? Are we supposed to let the people who are organizing these plots on Discord just blindside us? What is the logic here. I'm not going to comment on the written posts contents as I had more or less nothing to do with its writing and couldn't tell you why certain things were added (or the announcements made, really, not exactly my department) but I can at least confirm that the RP reason as to why ppl were after Beamon's persona is because he was suspected of harbouring Godfreyists (heretics according to the Canonist Church) and Azdrazi, which I've had roleplay on alongside the likes of Illuminaire, Vylkmir, etc- so nothing about that has really been "blatantly OOC with no RP basis whatsoever" as I'm getting the impression you're trying to claim here. If we continue on this topic all we're gnna end up with is going in circles, though, and none of what you just said really justifies you taking some document (that was yet to be presented to people meant to read it IRP at the time and gone unpublished) and pinging it in a public discord only to thereafter use this as a basis to irply state you've heard "rumors" and use it against the IRP plotters. 41 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nectorist 7423 Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Ramon said: I'm not going to comment on the written posts contents as I had more or less nothing to do with its writing and couldn't tell you why certain things were added (or the announcements made, really, not exactly my department) but I can at least confirm that the RP reason as to why ppl were after Beamon's persona is because he was suspected of harbouring Godfreyists (heretics according to the Canonist Church) and Azdrazi, which I've had roleplay on alongside the likes of Illuminaire, Vylkmir, etc- so nothing about that has really been "blatantly OOC with no RP basis whatsoever" as I'm getting the impression you're trying to claim here. If we continue on this topic all we're gnna end up with is going in circles, though, and none of what you just said really justifies you taking some document (that was yet to be presented to people meant to read it IRP at the time and gone unpublished) and pinging it in a public discord only to thereafter use this as a basis to irply state you've heard "rumors" and use it against the IRP plotters. Suspected of harboring Godfreyists? The same people who were originally sworn to Minitz (no one cared about that). And Azdrazi? People go together to coup over Azdrazi? The Aaunic government right now is claiming that Beamon wants to reform Oren and attack Haense to take Ruska because they're alleging him of hiring Azdrazi? https://gyazo.com/0d9c8764618e03812d5a58c3f47ba9e4 They literally say they did it because Beamon was plotting. Again, where is the RP that justifies this conclusion of theirs, if what matters so importantly here is the RP? If the central point of the move to coup Beamon was based on these two things, then why are these not the spearheads of the messages they've sent? It's because it isn't. They don't care. Azdrazi and Godfreyists aren't an actual reason to try and coup someone. It's very evident (according to their own words) that this was conducted because they suspected Beamon of planning a coup (which has no RP backing) 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramon 3965 Share Posted March 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Nectorist said: Suspected of harboring Godfreyists? The same people who were originally sworn to Minitz (no one cared about that). And Azdrazi? People go together to coup over Azdrazi? The Aaunic government right now is claiming that Beamon wants to reform Oren and attack Haense to take Ruska because they're alleging him of hiring Azdrazi? "The same people who were originally sworn to Minitz (no one cared about that)" yea, tbf, we didn't rly know of them being Godfreyists IRP up until they started being so open about it within Adria (where they've been for a far longer time than they ever were in Minitz, and where they were first was Adria in the first place) I literally only caught on myself IRP when I was sitting by Velec's cozy campfire and some guy next to my persona went on about how he didn't share the Canonist faith to someone and that he wasn't in communion with the Canonist Church as a result. (Look up Aaun's national law, that's a crime against faith). Had we known sooner irp we'd have acted much the same really (e.g sought 2 oppose it) 19 minutes ago, Nectorist said: e go together to coup over Azdrazi? Yea because you know the Canonist Church considers Azdrazi evil.... Mybe if he hadn't literally let the Pontiff know directly IRP no1 wld've bothered? There's been an Azdrazi Inquisition IRP for awhile now (see in Balian during my tenure as HP or Sedan a lot more recently. The Sedan thing we almost had a war over had things not deescalated). The fact you're sending this as if it somehow makes no sense for us to do IRP almost makes it seem as if you're desperate to keep on deflecting everything. Gnna dip soonish prob cuz the forums r being shitty n its late but feel free 2 hmu on discord if there's anything I might've misunderstood o7, all I know is we very clearly roleplayed suspected heresy and (to us irp) confirmed Azdrazi sympathies being the reason we wanted 2 go after Beamon IRP, so in my eyes there's very clearly RP grounds for us to have wanted to deal with the matter at hand the way we tried to IRP. 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enlightenment 1470 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2023 Nectorist and Beamon metagamed a document that was leaked to them oocly and now they're using it irply. It's more then clear this was done maliciously against myself to protect Beamon's character from irp repercussions of his character's actions. Myself and many others have been removed from the Adrian discord too as well. All the RP behind this post was done properly, the only wrong committed here is the blatant metagaming of Beamon and Nectorist. My character acted against Beamon's rply after discovering numerous crimes he did in rp, his character's adultery, his consorting with azdrazi, and last his support of heretics (some of the crimes are obviously fabricated irply such as the kinslaying, but the vast majority of them are irply real). It's really dissapointing that I did all this rp only for it to be wrongfully squashed by metagaming. 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdontmatta 7192 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Claimed. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdontmatta 7192 Share Posted March 18, 2023 On 3/16, individuals in Minitz were talking about the King of Aaun visiting to discuss the topic of Adria. Someone said in RP that the "Aurelian worshippers in Adria have, it is said, raised banners in revolt with the blessing of the Duke." Someone heard that, and reported it to Beamon IRP. I want to hear your thoughts. @Enlightenment @Marshi @Beamon4 @Nectorist 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdontmatta 7192 Share Posted March 19, 2023 This seems silly. Through the screenshots I've been provided in DMs with both Beamon and Illuminare, both parties are at fault. A couple things happened here: Illuminare modreq'd trying to evict Beamon without any RP indication from Seannie ingame (he had infact not been online) There was a private conversation between Illuminare and Laeonathan that indicates to me personally that this is more of an OOC power-grab on both parts ("If I can't have it, then Adria will burn") Beamon metagamed using discord to RP, as well as not knowing about the information in-game until 7 minutes after the beginning of his speech. Beamon will be given an infraction for metagaming. Because it his first, it will just be a warning and no ban will be given. 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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