When does your right to roleplay on LOTC get permanently revoked? [TW]

[monkeypoacher 6994]

the tythus ltd. style of corporate conflict resolution

 

>infant_skull_depresser banned for sending faerie_goth_queene (new mom! congratulations!!) pictures of babies with the soft spot of their skulls pushed in

>4 years later read ban appeal, decide infant_skull_depresser (now gustavadolf1449) has sincerely reformed through Christ

>unban without consulting faerie_goth_queene or any member of the community

>leave it to faerie_goth_queene to find out on her own bc roleplay, write a forum post reliving and detailing her abuse

>let community “discuss” whether unban is deserved (WE ARE HERE)

>ban gustavadolf1449 a few days later for raid rules or something

>never elaborate

>repeat 4 years later

[Crevel 4729]

14 minutes ago, monkeypoacher said:

the tythus ltd. style of corporate conflict resolution

 

>infant_skull_depresser banned for sending faerie_goth_queene (new mom! congratulations!!) pictures of babies with the soft spot of their skulls pushed in

>4 years later read ban appeal, decide infant_skull_depresser (now gustavadolf1449) has sincerely reformed through Christ

>unban without consulting faerie_goth_queene or any member of the community

>leave it to faerie_goth_queene to find out on her own bc roleplay, write a forum post reliving and detailing her abuse

>let community “discuss” whether unban is deserved (WE ARE HERE)

>ban gustavadolf1449 a few days later for raid rules or something

>never elaborate

>repeat 4 years later

 

The difference here is that Charlemagne was not initially banned for what was in those screenshots. Their most recent ban appeal (for the four/five-year ban) addressed a situation where they pugsied people. As far as we can tell, nothing happened at all punishment-wise in regard to those screenshots. Meaning that Charlemagne was never held accountable on LotC for the vile things he had said towards other people. Appeal in question.

[AnonymousAlexa 3877]

The virtue signalling on this thread is actually insane. It's the internet. We've all made edgy jokes before. Sure, maybe not to the same severity as Trol has in the past, but seeing all these people acting like perfect angels is just plain hypocritical. I don't support what Trol said in any capacity, but I wholeheartedly support the person he is today. He is not a r-pist. He is not a bigot. He's a funny lad who just wants to play Minecraft with his friends. 

[MissToni 3498]

3 minutes ago, AnonymousAlexa said:

The virtue signalling on this thread is actually insane. It's the internet. We've all made edgy jokes before. Sure, maybe not to the same severity as Trol has in the past, but seeing all these people acting like perfect angels is just plain hypocritical. I don't support what Trol said in any capacity, but I wholeheartedly support the person he is today. He is not a r-pist. He is not a bigot. He's a funny lad who just wants to play Minecraft with his friends. 

Then go play minecraft with him on a private server Alexa, we don't feel comfortable having him around on lotc.

[Charles The Bald 1870]

As someone who has clearly grown out of this toxic phase and has made clear improvement to his overall attitude and roleplay abilities, I would be ready to welcome him again but the right-wing and sexual stuff is really on the limit of a ToS ban. 

 

I've never really touched that stuff during my years of toxicity, it's kinda disgusting, I've never really targeted specific players during months on end. I think that has allowed me to remain on the server and having some of the people being against Charlemagne, friendly to me.

 

The people supporting him should remind themselves that you kinda support a sexual harasser and the people not supporting him that they sometimes love someone who used to be toxic like me. It's a doubled edged sword.

 

There's a limit that you can't cross and I think that Charlemagne has crossed it.

 

Most older people will tell you that they figured out themselves out well later in their 20's, I used to laugh at this and it was the case for me, I don't think Charlemagne is truly at the age yet and he should be allowed more time out of the server to regain his IGN. I was certainly better at 25 than I was at 20 but I am certainly better than I was at 25, at 27 going on 28, if that makes sense.

 

I know that you've alted, there's no way that you would appeal 4 years later out of nowhere, he probably could have been unbanned 2 years earlier, especially during Covid, maybe unless you went traveling with Kyle or something along the lines.

 

 

[Nathan_Barnett36 1546]

Come on now who deleted that comment showing Trol holding a swastika in minecraft?

[Franczhiz 4084]

1 hour ago, AnonymousAlexa said:

The virtue signalling on this thread is actually insane. It's the internet. We've all made edgy jokes before. Sure, maybe not to the same severity as Trol has in the past, but seeing all these people acting like perfect angels is just plain hypocritical. I don't support what Trol said in any capacity, but I wholeheartedly support the person he is today. He is not a r-pist. He is not a bigot. He's a funny lad who just wants to play Minecraft with his friends. 

 

Absolutely flabbergasted that you wholeheartedly support him given the screenshot of Charlemagne showing a swastika in mineman, which was used against the jewish people. The people who you defend? Quite some hypocrisy there.

[itdontmatta 7194]

Hi everyone, we would like to address the recent discussions regarding Charlemagne's unban and the evidence of his past behavior. We understand the seriousness of this matter and would like to share our perspective and the steps we have taken.

 

First and foremost, we want to make it clear that we do not condone any hostility towards individuals sharing their concerns on this matter. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and empathy and we will not tolerate any behavior that violates this principle.

 

In evaluating Charlemagne's ban appeal, we did not have access to the screenshots shared in this thread. His initial ban was for no-RP killing, resulting in an indefinite admin ban. After Charlemagne served nearly five years and submitted a public ban appeal addressing his past actions, we decided to lift his ban without any additional evidence presented at that time.

 

Upon learning about the new evidence from Muna, we immediately reopened discussions about our decision. Although we did not classify this as a safety issue per our Safety Policy guidelines, we seriously considered permanently rebanning Charlemagne under other policies. We considered factors such as the length of time he was banned, his conduct since his unban, and the server culture at the time he was banned. However, we could not conclude that he should be re-banned permanently.

 

Following our decision I reached out to Muna to discuss our reasoning and encouraged him to hold Charlemagne accountable. I deeply respect the courage it took for you to come forward with this. While we chose not to reban Charlemagne, we believe it is important for us to hold him accountable for his words – he is not immune to this. You deserve an apology, though that does not mean he deserves your forgiveness.

 

We understand that some community members may be upset with our decision, and we empathize with those feelings. We encourage open and respectful discussions about this matter and are available for any further concerns or questions you may have.

 

Thank you for your understanding and for helping us maintain a safe and welcoming environment for our community.

 

Sincerely,

Alex and the Administration

[Nathan_Barnett36 1546]

*tries to hold trol accountable like the staff said

*is not held accountable when trying to make him accountable for his actions

[SethWolf 1474]

13 minutes ago, itdontmatta said:

Hi everyone, we would like to address the recent discussions regarding Charlemagne's unban and the evidence of his past behavior. We understand the seriousness of this matter and would like to share our perspective and the steps we have taken.

 

First and foremost, we want to make it clear that we do not condone any hostility towards individuals sharing their concerns on this matter. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and empathy and we will not tolerate any behavior that violates this principle.

 

In evaluating Charlemagne's ban appeal, we did not have access to the screenshots shared in this thread. His initial ban was for no-RP killing, resulting in an indefinite admin ban. After Charlemagne served nearly five years and submitted a public ban appeal addressing his past actions, we decided to lift his ban without any additional evidence presented at that time.

 

Upon learning about the new evidence from Muna, we immediately reopened discussions about our decision. Although we did not classify this as a safety issue per our Safety Policy guidelines, we seriously considered permanently rebanning Charlemagne under other policies. We considered factors such as the length of time he was banned, his conduct since his unban, and the server culture at the time he was banned. However, we could not conclude that he should be re-banned permanently.

 

Following our decision I reached out to Muna to discuss our reasoning and encouraged him to hold Charlemagne accountable. I deeply respect the courage it took for you to come forward with this. While we chose not to reban Charlemagne, we believe it is important for us to hold him accountable for his words – he is not immune to this. You deserve an apology, though that does not mean he deserves your forgiveness.

 

We understand that some community members may be upset with our decision, and we empathize with those feelings. We encourage open and respectful discussions about this matter and are available for any further concerns or questions you may have.

 

Thank you for your understanding and for helping us maintain a safe and welcoming environment for our community.

 

Sincerely,

Alex and the Administration

 

this sets a bad precedent for people who have violence threatened against them. 

if this doesn't fall under your 'safety guidelines', then your safety guidelines are shit.

[ReveredOwl 5410]

Was gonna comment that the admins wouldn't change their verdict to save face, decided that they surely couldn't be so vain, alas I was wrong.

[MissToni 3498]

12 minutes ago, itdontmatta said:

Hi everyone, we would like to address the recent discussions regarding Charlemagne's unban and the evidence of his past behavior. We understand the seriousness of this matter and would like to share our perspective and the steps we have taken.

 

First and foremost, we want to make it clear that we do not condone any hostility towards individuals sharing their concerns on this matter. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and empathy and we will not tolerate any behavior that violates this principle.

 

In evaluating Charlemagne's ban appeal, we did not have access to the screenshots shared in this thread. His initial ban was for no-RP killing, resulting in an indefinite admin ban. After Charlemagne served nearly five years and submitted a public ban appeal addressing his past actions, we decided to lift his ban without any additional evidence presented at that time.

 

Upon learning about the new evidence from Muna, we immediately reopened discussions about our decision. Although we did not classify this as a safety issue per our Safety Policy guidelines, we seriously considered permanently rebanning Charlemagne under other policies. We considered factors such as the length of time he was banned, his conduct since his unban, and the server culture at the time he was banned. However, we could not conclude that he should be re-banned permanently.

 

Following our decision I reached out to Muna to discuss our reasoning and encouraged him to hold Charlemagne accountable. I deeply respect the courage it took for you to come forward with this. While we chose not to reban Charlemagne, we believe it is important for us to hold him accountable for his words – he is not immune to this. You deserve an apology, though that does not mean he deserves your forgiveness.

 

We understand that some community members may be upset with our decision, and we empathize with those feelings. We encourage open and respectful discussions about this matter and are available for any further concerns or questions you may have.

 

Thank you for your understanding and for helping us maintain a safe and welcoming environment for our community.

 

Sincerely,

Alex and the Administration

Once again you and the administration have shown me that none of you care about the victims when it comes to cases like these. But this time you have shown the entire server instead that no one should put their faith in you when it comes to making good decisions with these matters instead of just me. Shame on you

[Xarkly 13181]

19 minutes ago, itdontmatta said:

 

 

Following our decision I reached out to Muna to discuss our reasoning and encouraged him to hold Charlemagne accountable. I deeply respect the courage it took for you to come forward with this. While we chose not to reban Charlemagne, we believe it is important for us to hold him accountable for his words – he is not immune to this. You deserve an apology, though that does not mean he deserves your forgiveness.

 

your idea of accountability is washing your hands of it and letting the community fight like rabid dogs lmfao

 

no matter which side is right this isn't just a bad take

 

it's a coward take

[Hanrahan 2887]

this is literally one of the worst L's the admin on lotc has ever taken

 

 

Im so glad that keeping people who posit rape threats in our community is so important to you

 

 

*****

[UnBaed 9221]

Don't worry guys!  We're safe from rape-threats because now we know that this guy made a rape threat.  Our knowledge keeps us safe from this happening again!

 

Again, refer to my comments on how too many of us overthink bans and for some reason treat them like death sentences for a minecraft server -- chase this ******* piece of filth off the server, he does not belong here.