A Discussion On The High Elven War Claim

[Caln McHarnish/porkchopp2 71]

I might just want to point out that Arya left Caln before she was captured.

She actually had a relationship with a Dark Elf (Cole, played by Cloakedsphere) between her leaving Caln and being captured.

Which you are lucky he doesn't know about IC :P. Also another reason for Telemar is the need for mainland. Expansionist kingdom. Just another side reason.

[Sporadic 2844]

We are changing it. Telemar joined in right after the war claim was made when it was just a destroy everything type thing.

 

Your faction joined in right after an OOC warclaim for a surprise attack was made!?

Please tell me this isn't what it sounds like.

[Caln McHarnish/porkchopp2 71]

Liu aka Odolf is a lord in Telemar. He asked us after it was made to help with the attack. If you are implying meta gaming it isn't.

[Smithers 388]

I'm extremely confused. The explanation went from a pillage, to all High Elves being PK'd to a conquest. I can't see either of the latter two being accepted.

[Caln McHarnish/porkchopp2 71]

The war claim went from a destruction of the city with the possibility of people living in the area to the city not going to be destroyed so people could live there. A change on the after effect of the battle on what to do with the city. Not sure where anyone got this PK idea.

[Lago 2572]

From your current position, all you can do is pillage. PKing all the High Elves isn't possible within the server rules, and to conquer their land you have to actually be a nation.

[Minuscule Evil 25]

I don't understand why the opposing side cannot simply wait. As the attackers you have to acknowledge we are primarily a magical nation, and we have no magical plugin. Sure, we can have substitutes for it, but I still don't understand why you cannot wait for the Nexus plugin.

 

I kindly ask you to postpone your little attack until the magic plugin is released. 

[Caln McHarnish/porkchopp2 71]

@Lago: We are infact a nation, and Viper is setting up a sub forum for us when he gets back on.

@Miniscule: Because it can take a very very long time for the plug in to come out, for the bugs to get fixed, and the war claim to get set up. There are solutions to the problem where we won't have to wait 3-4 months for a plugin. There is even a chance by then 4.0 comes out. In 3-4 months a lot of our characters could be dead. In 3-4 months our reasons for this attack may no longer be viable.

[Tayelikel 193]

I don't understand why the opposing side cannot simply wait. As the attackers you have to acknowledge we are primarily a magical nation, and we have no magical plugin. Sure, we can have substitutes for it, but I still don't understand why you cannot wait for the Nexus plugin.

 

I kindly ask you to postpone your little attack until the magic plugin is released. 

There was no plugin for asulon or aegis, so why not do now what you would have done then?

[Supremacy 3361]

I agree though mages should not be left completely powerless. I bet you would be surprised to know we have 4 mages of our own plus whatever shamans come to the battle with the orcs. Since magic can only be used from a relatively close distance mages should get enchanted swords baser on their tiers. I know this system is not perfect, but the High Elves also have some advantages as well. I doubt RPly a lot of the mages are trained well with a bow yet I have no doubt nor problem during a battle they would be shooting one. If 53% of your people stand there on the walls casting spells with several emotes of RP then that is another story, but it won't happen. Mostly because by then they would have 100 arrows in them. It is a system that is fair and reflects magic users more accurately.

 

While you do make a point, mages don't have to do 5 emotes to do magic in PVP. Just as you swing a sword in 2 emotes in a RP fight you do magic in 3 emotes. In PVP you just click, in PVP a mage doesn't emote 3 things, a fireball just happens. Fundamentally throwing lightning down on someone at a distance, illusioning an army, hurling a boulder along with other magical things are distance things and arrows are not an adequate reason to dismiss magic. Realistically as they fire arrows a mage in a tower will throw lightning.

 

It is also notable I believe a siege in 2 WCs is desired as realistically you don't march to a city, jump the wall and take everything. Walls serve a purpose.

 

Bgnsxxy pointed out he wanted a list of mages. While I've given him a list of mages already I'll note it is impossible for the high elves to simply 'get T5 mages'. That doesn't happen, there is a system so you don't have to worry about that. In addition, the high elven mages themselves are realistically not going to be the only ones present.

 

As Kalameet pointed out, examples of the nation's mages and why their four mages match up to Haelun'or's 20 would be... somewhat desired. I'd also like to know if you at all object to the proposed system we had with random removals before the battle so magic came into account.

 

Finally I'll ask: Where is the Kingdom of Telemar?

[JCQuiinn 168]

There was no plugin for asulon or aegis, so why not do now what you would have done then?

There has never been an instance where a magic-heavy group has been attacked without a plugin or GM assistance. Sure, there have been conflicts where mages 'could' have been involved, but never large scale conflicts where groups may have over 50% of their population composed of mages.

[Supremacy 3361]

The last time such occurred was Malinor against Oren in Elysium, where the whole WC was abandoned because of the number of mages defending the city. Which isn't to say this one should be abandoned but rather: If you attack Haelun'or you deal with the magic.

 

Also pokrchopp2, if you wish to add me on skype click on my profile. We can work directly on things there if you like.

[Caln McHarnish/porkchopp2 71]

While you do make a point, mages don't have to do 5 emotes to do magic in PVP. Just as you swing a sword in 2 emotes in a RP fight you do magic in 3 emotes. In PVP you just click, in PVP a mage doesn't emote 3 things, a fireball just happens. Fundamentally throwing lightning down on someone at a distance, illusioning an army, hurling a boulder along with other magical things are distance things and arrows are not an adequate reason to dismiss magic. Realistically as they fire arrows a mage in a tower will throw lightning.

 

It is also notable I believe a siege in 2 WCs is desired as realistically you don't march to a city, jump the wall and take everything. Walls serve a purpose.

 

Bgnsxxy pointed out he wanted a list of mages. While I've given him a list of mages already I'll note it is impossible for the high elves to simply 'get T5 mages'. That doesn't happen, there is a system so you don't have to worry about that. In addition, the high elven mages themselves are realistically not going to be the only ones present.

 

As Kalameet pointed out, examples of the nation's mages and why their four mages match up to Haelun'or's 20 would be... somewhat desired. I'd also like to know if you at all object to the proposed system we had with random removals before the battle so magic came into account.

 

Finally I'll ask: Where is the Kingdom of Telemar?

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to dismiss mages. Each group has certain advantages and disadvantages. For example we have orcs who would take out 3-4 people in combat yet cannot due to PvP. You guys have mages who normally could take out 3-4 people but cannot because of PvP. Waiting months for one side to get a plugin in their advantage will not solve this. We could however give the orcs and mages enchanted weapons to make their abilities more realistic, or we can PvP the battle normally with both sides cancelling out advantages.

The Kingdom of Telemar is the new name for the Kingdom of Holm. The main section is located in the wilds with various islands and sections out of the wilds.

[Supremacy 3361]

The issue is: 3 or 4 Orcs do not equate to the amount of magic present in Haelun'or. Should we do enchanted armour we would have to spend time testing to see how powerful this enchantment or that enchantment is. Which will take an extended amount of time and effort when really— the other proposed system is simple and works directly with a set of rules, it is balanced by very definition.

 

In an ideal world the attempt to take a magical city would wait until a magic plugin existed.

[bignsxxy 128]

I'm not asking any mage to pk, it takes months to develop their rp, why would i kick sand in their face for one battle? That is just silly, and another moronic assumption you guys have made.