Avacyn

There's no 'nod' to arcane puppetry. In fact, as far as I'm aware, this was carefully crafted to avoid the glaring and prevalent issues with puppetry and the powergaming that's occurred with it in the past. To place yourself in the 'mind of an atronach' isn't a difficult feat. They're artificial. They have rather base functions. While it is said they develop a degree of free will, that is all within the relatively narrow context of their mental capabilities and how their """brains""" work isn't difficult to understand and is even a sort of pre-requisite to the higher tiers of atronach creation. This ability is limited entirely to telekinesis-made atronachs and is moreso a linking of the physical and mental through the willpower of the telekinetic and is by no means a stretch of the possibilities of telekinesis and atronachs.

I mean, I suppose that makes a degree of sense-- your biological parts and those organs degenerating into your new... wood-y sappy-ness over a period of time. If given a rational timeframe, that's something I'd agree with.

That would, in my opinion, be the best way to go about it. I'm just saying that moving forward a lot of wires are being crossed to a confusing point if soul-tree'd people can make babies.

There is a point, because there's a standard to uphold on the rationale behind these sorts of things occurring. Just because RP in the past occurred unmonitored and unregulated doesn't excuse it continuing to happen. An explanation could be devised for past children but I won't sit easily with it continuing to.

I for one hate the "it's been allowed in the past" precedent because former iterations of the team have had much more irrational and slackened standards about how the laws of the world we RP in function. It's already something that'll be brought into discussion when voting happens, regardless, so if the writers of the lore are adamant about keeping it that way it'll be taken into consideration accordingly.

But fertility like that isn't something you can just 'install' into a fake body or artificial descendant. Every other comparable 'endgame' cannot have children. Keepers are actually VERY similar in that their body is made by a deific figure like an Aengul but they're infertile themselves for this reason. The miraculous gift of having children and allowing a soul to be born from nothing isn't something easily replicated.

Here I am again, back to debate the semantics of our mineman reproductive biology, unfortunately. Magically conceived children, the sorcery of the Aspects or whoever popping new souls and babies out of nowhere, is just about out of the question-- so with that being said, if Soul Tree users are made of wood, where's their """"sap"""" coming from, so to speak?

@HB_ Here's the thing. You said a "pupper is a doggo." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies puppers, doggos, yappers, and even woofers, I am telling you, specifically, in doggology, no one calls puppers doggos. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "doggo family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Doggodaemous, which includes things from sub woofers to birdos to sharkos (the glub glub kind not the bork bork kind). So your reasoning for calling a pupper a doggo is because random people "call the small yip yip ones doggos?" Let's get penguos and turkos in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A pupper is a pupper and a member of the doggo family. But that's not what you said. You said a pupper is a doggo, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the doggo family doggos, which means you'd call piggos, sluggos, and other species doggos, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

Make Paladins Great Again +1

real talk though this seems like it could go places, +1

holy fug thats some good darkest dungeon