When does your right to roleplay on LOTC get permanently revoked? [TW]

[zuziee 3251]

7 minutes ago, Telanir said:

a lot can change in just four years.

its not enough. As admins, do more. 

[TheosVult 327]

I don't think those who recognized they made a mistake and corrected it should step down. Criticized sure, but they are only human, administrating for Lord of the Craft isn't their only occupation in life and they won't always make the right decision. I'm glad the administration listened to the community and acted accordingly. 

[SapphirePool 1135]

I want to add as well, just because one bad Apple is now gone forever, does not mean those who associated closely with him are absolved. I was in the renatian discord, simply because I have a Vilac character from a completely different branch. 

Whilst the majority of what was said and done in that discord was memes and trolling, one matter did stick out to me. Unfortunately the entirety of the no-mic chat was deleted right as I went to screenshot and I do not have logs. This is why I did not speak up about this, as it’s my word without straight evidence. There was 1-2 minute space of time where several individuals linked hateful, racist, homophobic discords over and over in no-mic. I did not know what these links were until I fat thumbed a link and was thrown into a nazi support discord. I left immediately and realized there were discords linked for not only that but things regarding autism and if I remember correctly, transphobia. I said “please stop” and a few seconds after the chat was completely wiped. I only have a screenshot of the things said immediately following the wipe. 

I have names of 2 players who partook. I’m not going to say them here though. If a mod wishes to reach out, do so to sapphire#1345.

im tired of feeling like I should overlook something simply to keep the peace because it was done “jokingly”

[Borin 5283]

damn

[MailC3p 1173]

40 minutes ago, TheosVult said:

I don't think those who recognized they made a mistake and corrected it should step down. Criticized sure, but they are only human, administrating for Lord of the Craft isn't their only occupation in life and they won't always make the right decision. I'm glad the administration listened to the community and acted accordingly. 

 My concern is, did Admin team really realize the mistake they made or are they changing there verdict because the popular decision is that he should remain banned and is doing it to save face?

[ScreamingDingo 17219]

3 hours ago, Orlanth said:

@itdontmatta@Llir @squakhawk @HogoBojo

Please step down. 

 

3 hours ago, subatomic said:

@itdontmatta@Llir @squakhawk @HogoBojo

Please step down.

think you two need to do more than one tiktok videos worth of clout to think you have that pushing power

[Borin 5283]

13 minutes ago, ScreamingDingo said:

 

think you two need to do more than one tiktok videos worth of clout to think you have that pushing power

Step down @ScreamingDingo!!!

[subatomic 1104]

29 minutes ago, ScreamingDingo said:

 

think you two need to do more than one tiktok videos worth of clout to think you have that pushing power

 

um actually that one tiktok video has surpassed the most viewed video for LOTC after 10 years 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 nerd emoji nerd emoji nerd nerd 

[Nord 313]

33 minutes ago, ScreamingDingo said:

 

think you two need to do more than one tiktok videos worth of clout to think you have that pushing power

Really dissing CT damnnn

[_Sheylo_ 985]

This has been a wild read lol
go drink water and touch grass
 

[subatomic 1104]

4 minutes ago, Nord said:

Really dissing CT damnnn

bro nordnshutnthebfuck uo man 

[MailC3p 1173]

It's amazing that even after the issue here has been resolved the thread hasn't been locked and that people are still actively commenting on here.

[Amayonnaise 1572]

7 hours ago, Frostdrop1 said:

Your safety policy is a joke and cannot be relied on as a competent resource. You should revisit this ASAP.

 

@squakhawk@HogoBojo@itdontmatta@Llir@Telanir

 

I have said this before on the thread about FTB, and I will say it again.

 

Your rules and policies are outdated. Your rules DO NOT protect our new players and youth enough. They do not discuss age of consent as an OOC construct, only IRP. They need to be much more thorough and extreme.

 

Open up a dialogue with the community. Make a thread discussing the current rules and policies, and ask what feels lacking and what needs to be improved on. Get community feedback. Work on a new system of regulations for not only applying strikes and warnings, but also delivering bans and length of bans, and appeal processes depending on the reason of the ban.

 

It doesn't matter if he was banned for pugsying. Muna stated they made a post on this very same topic ages ago. It doesn't matter if he was recently unbanned. You have the evidence now. Open up a new investigation.

 

4 hours ago, itdontmatta said:

I thought that since I matured and learned from my mistakes that anyone else could. When Charlemagne appealed, and there was support on his appeal, I thought there was a possibility that he changed. While he was back, I saw that change and I thought that it was okay. I didn’t come to think that even though he possibly changed, his behavior could not be redeemed on our platform.

 

It does not matter one single ******* bit if you thought he had changed. You seem to be forgetting one key fact.

 

Muna and Toni lost their right to feeling safe and protected in our community.

 

I have said it before. I will say it again. We are women, we are qu.eer, we are lgbt, and we face this very same toxicity and insults and degrading comments at least weekly. We face it on the street, in the workplace, online whether its social media, video games, or anywhere else. We can't even use voice chats in public lobbies 8/10 times because we know the response we are going to get.

 

To strip us of our right to feel safe and protected, and have a break from that sort of attention and vile behaviour in this community is disgusting. He may have changed, yes. He may be striving to do better, good. I hope he continues that and continues to strive to be a better person both in real life, and on the internet. But you have no right to leave us defenseless, and then tell us to sort it out on our own.

 

Your apology isn't enough. I can't speak for Muna and Toni, I imagine they must be feeling relieved after the eventual ban. But an apology and an eventual ban is not enough.

 

Fix your bans. Fix your appeals. Fix your policies. You should have solid, concrete processes for everything you do, and every choice you make. Do better, and follow through by making active changes to the way you protect this community. You can promise us change, but what happens when you step down and another Admin takes your place?

 

Put new rules and policies in place. New processes. Ensure that the staff generation that follows can't **** things up again as easily as you and previous generations have. Protect us better.

[Nord 313]

Close this thread.

[Llir 5753]

I would like to take a moment to offer an apology to the community for the way this situation was handled. I do not believe that I took enough time to reflect on the evidence and make a thoughtful decision on this matter when I first saw it. I failed to do what I had ought to have know from experience on staff, and my inaction on this matter was a disservice to the community that I care so deeply about. After reading the numerous  responses from folk upset about our decision and reasoning, I took some time to reexamine the screenshots and discuss the situation with some close friends. I felt awful once I understood the full context and I realized what a severe mistake and misjudgment I had made. I am truly sorry, and I will strive to do better in the future.

 

I reached out to Muna earlier tonight and had an extremely insightful conversation about the safety and culture of our community. This community has grown so much over the years, and just because behaviour was allowed to happen years ago, doesn't mean we can't hold people accountable for it now, as staff. There has been a culture shift, and our rules and policies need to follow. I plan to work on expanding our Safety Policy to cover the areas it falls short, such as harassment, violent threats, and homophobia. None of these behaviors have a place in our community, and no one deserves to feel unsafe or unwelcome in our shared spaces. I want to assure we never need a post like this again; that we will make the right decision the first time.

 

I want to continue having conversations on these issues. If you have any thoughts you want to share on these topics or our Safety Policy, please do not hesitate to reach out to me directly. Hearing from the community is the best way that I can know how to improve in both my own role, and in what we can do as the administration. My Discord DMs are always open.

- Llir