As a heads up, this lore is going to be denied for formatting and it's intent. Which I will explain after I really explore some of the issues I have with this post.
Firstly, shamanism did not 'disappear' because of Flam's Lore Games, it instead gave it the opportunity to reinvigorate it and was essentially ignored by every single teacher that was done within the Orcish subtype. Elementalism had issues that were exacerbated by bad faith and implementation of people using thematic spells such as terraforming to attempt to try and sink entire cities through loopholes. It really showed that certain elements of shamanism were embraced while others were barely considered roleplay and used as a simple buff for those that used it. Shamanism is a magic I genuinely wish to see succeed, contrary to popular belief. The subtypes that are currently there are still present in the community, even though its moved outside of the "Orcish Influence" It's still there. I simply referred you to Squak because they told you as to why, there was absolutely no reason to contact me and you know that. We know that Elementalism is currently in a state where we do not think it will be sustained, it would be a waste of our time to review it and watch it immediately fail again and then disappear again. The Orcish playerbase is on such a teetering state of booming activity and complete inactivity every week that nothing is stable or sustained enough, magic will not save such an idea and neither will you spearheading it.
Now, to the Telanir post. Using a post that's a few years shy of a decade old to try and reflect how the server is currently is a really funny thing you're trying to do.
This itself is such a backwards viewpoint that does not work for now. We as a server have realised that PLAYERS are the most important actors in creating roleplay and sustaining their cultures. We have evolved beyond the idea of having to handhold playerbases, where they should have the opportunity to thrive and exist in their own capacity and contribute to the world instead of relying on being spoonfed. Orcs have the absolute current potential to try and explode with activity and regain their roots. They have the most cultural aspects of Shamanism still in lore, yet it's ignored and basically neglected by those communities. Why is this? I do not know, but I also know that if we forcefully reinjected it into the orcish playerbase currently. There's really three options that would happen, which would be below. 1: They leave the orcs when they can't sustain their roleplay, taking shamanism to another place. 2: Are kicked out of the Orcish playerbase and 'whitewashed'. 3: They shelf their character and don't continue.
I want to see Orcs grow again, but I believe it is counter-productive to overload shamanism when it needs to go back to its basics. I want to see the roleplay orientated sub-genres thrive and contribute to roleplay (even with those one-on-one interactions. They are the ones I believe are the most meaningful). Activity standards for lore are extremely low and you'd be surprised how low of a threshold is necessary. If we get more pings about flintlocks being used in Oren than there is lines of RP relating to such a magic, that is when we enforce.
Now Wolfkite, what was your intent with this post. Some weird flame to try and post me as a pillar of the community to unravel, or for maybe for Telanir to try and shoot me in the back of the head for not following his 2013 ideals. Maybe some of this?
You should know what my own opinion of you is, being one of the most pathological liars I have ever seen on LotC. Claiming that you could use the gravity spirit to crush someone completely, to being Telanir's right hand man and also being able to stay blind when DPM's IP showed up on Excitedly's account when the battle happened, even though you plead your own innocence in enabling such an action. You got a response from this, and surely the one you wanted. Shamans can build upon the basics they have before overloading it with another five different sub-types. I also dislike you using a disenfranchised playerbase as a means to try and shit on me and my management. It's done not with the intent to try and help the shaman playerbase, it's to stir the pot.
It's your move, @L0rdLawyer