Eryane 3629 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) TLDR for those who don’t want to read: - Limited Creative (LC) is basically having creative for a limit period of time that you pay for on a specific region. - The current issues with Vortex and WT pasting lay in how long it takes players to get materials and build with those mats, meaning that playerbases undergoing rebuilds could see their activity suffer if not die - Paid LC should be reimplemented in light of how long Vortex grinding and WT pasting takes - Paid LC would allow for playerbases undergoing builds/rebuilds to dedicate their time to actually RPing, not just grinding and pasting for hours on end - If paid LC cannot be reimplemented, then resource pits should at least be added to cut down on grinding times I won’t go through the whole song and dance of lambasting Vortex. It was an ambitious plugin that ultimately didn’t quite accomplish what it set out to do, which is just how things shake out sometimes. However, with Vortex now to be removed, and the recognition that it’s something that stifles RP, I think the current procedures for building and gaining materials should be changed to reflect this. This is an RP server at the end of the day, so our rules, guidelines, procedures, etc, should be designed to supplement and enhance the RP experience as much as possible. The most obvious change here is the reintroduction of paid LC, which I think would go a long way to help make improved builds, allow for smaller playerbases to have a better shot at establishing an RP foothold and presence, and overall improve the experience of the average player/builder. I know the Tech Team has a lot on its plate, but paid LC provides a lot of tangible benefits that would bring about immediate results. A big reason that I’m writing this is because of the current difficulties I’m having with the World Team’s pasting system. It’s a fine idea in theory and I know most people now use it for their builds, but from my experience it’s been a rather slow process. Since July 13th I have been attempting to get my build implemented. I’ve reached out to the World Team several times about getting a build of mine pasted in, an extension to a town I own, but due to constraints regarding the size of the pasting (and some other difficulties), I was told that it would take a decent while to paste in. As of writing this the build has yet to be pasted in, but I understand that the World Team probably gets a ton of these requests all the time (among the other things they have to do) and sometimes it’s easy to forget about a random person’s build or just have to put it quite low on the priority list. My blame here isn’t directed at them necessarily, but rather the use of pasting through them rather than some sort of paid LC system. With the pasting system that’s in place right now, the onus is put on the World Team to paste in various builds from entire nation capitals to a small village on a random tile. Given their limited manpower and other duties, it means that a backlog is bound to form as issues arise with schematics, larger pastes take longer times to implement, and other tasks are pushed ahead in the priority list. In the meantime, the playerbase that’s relying on this build (settlements typically live and die by their builds, and a long implementation period usually spells the death of a playerbase or at least a long period of diminished activity) have to do work by hand. With Vortex still being in place, this means that you’re running in between various nodes, making and remaking tools, waiting for your energy levels to increase again, waiting for nodes to respawn, and ultimately turning a project that could take only a weekend into something that’s dragged out over weeks. At least with pits, you had all of the resources you needed in one location, but now you’re often spending most of your time running back and forth to gather materials, then spending even longer periods of time putting in your build, not to mention the time lost actually making the build on whatever server you’re using. This results in hours of time that could be spent RPing instead going towards something that doesn’t generate activity. If paid LC were in place, this whole process would be cut down by days. A couple of dedicated builders could get a whole build pasted in, on their own, over a very short period of time, and the WT wouldn’t need to get bogged down in the pasting process themselves. For smaller playerbases, like mine, adding paid LC would probably be the biggest benefit we could have. It’d let us get a necessary build in on time and devote our already-limited time to RPing and generating activity, which is the point of the server. I know that there are certain criticisms/issues of implementing LC, mostly centered around the ability to dupe and that it’d require a good deal of effort from the Tech Team to implement, which is understandable. I’m not here to make the case that the Techs are being neglectful or don’t know what they’re doing, I’m simply presenting the perspective of the leader of a smaller settlement to argue for something I think would be a great benefit to everyone. The direct benefits of LC outweigh the possibility of duping, which could be addressed by having tiles/nations assign certain people to be allowed LC, then revoking the privileges of tiles/nations whose LC users dupe. I won’t pretend to know what’s going on with the tech side of things, but if implementing paid LC is viable, then it should absolutely go through. If not, then at least something like resource pits, which would cut down the time it takes for materials to be grinded, should be added in. Looking to builds that have the benefit of instant, or extremely quick, implementation, we often see people’s artistic vision on full display. Sure, you may not like a certain design or vibe with a certain aesthetic, but there is a clear level of effort and care put into builds where people aren’t constrained by building times or material costs. Years ago, when LC was in place, I noticed various projects, whether they were the keep of a kingdom’s vassal, a town situated in the remote corner of the map, or an odd cave system home to some sort of spook cult, have a high level of dedication and care put into them. Were all builds great? No, definitely not, but people were able to pursue their artistic vision to the fullest. This isn’t to say that people now don’t put in the time and effort, I’d say they probably put in even more, but they aren’t getting the same level of output for their input. With concerns of time, logistics, activity, etc, the scope and scale of a build becomes diminished, corners have to be cut, and the fear of any hype surrounding their project forces builders and leaders to grind for hours when they should be RPing. I know I’m not the first to call for LC to be readded, and I probably won’t be the last, but I still think it’s important to bring it up from time to time. It would provide a ton of benefits to all playerbases, especially those trying to get on their feet, and it would allow for the process of builds being pasted in to not burden the WT, but instead be given to those with the most passion, and highest stakes, in the build and its success. Spoiler Thank you Nectorist for helping a lot with this post Edited August 4, 2021 by Eryane 93 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReveredOwl 5350 Share Posted August 3, 2021 vortex was meant to be removed a while ago... it wasn't. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
libertyybelle 5476 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I cannot agree more with this. Please for the love of roleplay. Having to grind for supplies to decorate an area is such a hassle and takes away from the story. 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncarr 2235 Share Posted August 3, 2021 PLEASEEEEEE 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clonky 1940 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Vortex has always been a bad system. There was outrage amongst rpers, outrage amongst people who just want builds, and it makes it incredibly confusing for our new player base. Unfortunately we won’t see Vortex official gone for a while since it needs to be decoded to be removed. Such a silly system. We’re an rp server not a faction server. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuziee 3223 Share Posted August 3, 2021 i just want pretty builds again 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLThomas 1065 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I too love going back to spawn to grab a bunch of wood to then wait on my soul stone to recharge... finally returning to the place I need decorated and then find out I'm short on like one block of that wood. 10/10 system, love it. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reckless Banzai Screamer 11594 Share Posted August 3, 2021 agreed, world team relies on ONE person for pasting apparently this is crazy for people waiting for rebuilds cuz the one person that can do it has a life probably :ssss give us paid LC so we can move our rp forward on our own without having to be HAND HELD 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fie 2521 Share Posted August 3, 2021 vortex isnt fun, just remove it already, also yes pls lc 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antiopa 131 Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, NLThomas said: I too love going back to spawn to grab a bunch of wood to then wait on my soul stone to recharge... finally returning to the place I need decorated and then find out I'm short on like one block of that wood. 10/10 system, love it. almost as good as waiting half a hour to just get 6 black dye... and then doing it over and over again 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickando 3395 Share Posted August 3, 2021 i cant believe someone thought right clicking 10 blocks of sand every half hour for 6 hours was a better idea than resource pits, and i cant believe someone thought resource pits was a better idea than LC 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkyi 1503 Share Posted August 3, 2021 yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garentoft 8353 Share Posted August 3, 2021 i would love some LC +1. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taketheshot 3834 Share Posted August 4, 2021 I am tempted to repost my response to the calling of the removal of vortex or perhaps citing one of the many posts where LC has asked to be implemented. Each one seems to get ignored by the world team and to be quite frank, its utterly ridiculous. In no way did vortex improve the server, all it did was serve to stunt roleplay in the idea that some overarching materialistic grindy plugin would fix the economy. We have seen the effects vortex has had. Those effects are not good. The current paste in system makes it ridiculous to try and get a build up, communication blackouts from world team as seen here. I dont for the life of me understand what is so inherently wrong about LC, we have had it in the past. The usual excuse runs something along the lines of "It will be abused! The dupers will get rich!" Or some other such idea that gets touted out as the end of debate and thread closing answer from the world team. We had duping in the past with LC yes and we know what happened, the people who duped or abused it got banned... It's just a little ridiculous at this point that the roleplay on a roleplay server is taking a back seat to vortex and honestly material grinds in general. Readd LC, make the right decision and just make everyone's day better. Please? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus 1317 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Please. Who could have thought curating 10 blocks of x material every 5 hours was a good idea? On paper, it drives roleplay – but, only in the least: point in case, Vortex was certainly not made with consideration of large-scale builds. For the love of God Almighty: just give us paid LC. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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