ScreamingDingo

why

So you're writing this lore with the intention of interacting with a divine being as a culture group. Meeting gods does not develop characters at all, saying it will develop your character is about as credible as needing ERP to develop your character.

just R O L E P L A Y it

I can't believe im breaking my ironic persona but geniunely message me if you want help with your lore. You've got my discord I'm fairly sure, this will need a LOT of work though

yhuck

Okay, so this is the third post I'll make. If this one gets removed I'm just going to flip. The lore is awkwardly written and way too short. The parts that are 'expanded' are useless fluff while other things are never explained or brought up later in the post mechanics wise. I've given Lark a document which outlines all the problems I've seen with the lore. Though I will keep insisting, rebranding towards this direction will not change anything in regards to reputation or the actual purpose of Ascended. They should have stayed removed the first time, and the hamfisted attempt of staying relevant falls flat and really ruins any attempt of rewrite. The name of the Ascended and the stigma surround it will never go. I don't play much anymore but I look at the forums enough to know that this would be a bad addition for the server. If you guys aren't holy, then there's really no place for you on the server.

Can't win with a playerbase and a name that are eternally associated with bad rpers. You won't ever win, you just need to create a bit of lore that suits you all and allows for you to create roleplay beyond the usual, white knight syndrome that plagues that stereotype

The eternal problem with the ascended are the playerbase, no matter how much you sugarcoat or change the lore. They'll be bad because of the players that control it

I didn't ******* shoot enough of your fuckin blueys, keep popping up everywhere

@Delmodan Won't quote what you said because there's nothing really to reply to. It's just that sentiment really defines how I view pieces on this server and I'm not hopeful at all for the lotc playerbase to use something like this without abusing or ruining its charm. @WuHanXianShi14 Just to start, people may not believe this but I support high fantasy a lot more than I show, because I think most high fantasy concepts are not done well on LotC. So, with the festivals point, I'm quite happy you do that with newer players and focus on the festivals with them. An introduction in cultural RP is great and by any means I'm not bashing that, if anything I would encourage you to keep doing that, as you can see the impact you have made considerably without being able to summon the Mani and have their presence prove to everyone that 'they're here and can help us'. As I did say in my post, I do enjoy the concept of Mani as animist spirits and stated that, I can't even distrupt the actual content of this lore-post because it's done decently well. Though, my qualm is the idea of 'Gods' on LotC and that they mostly extend beyond the Aengudaemonic spectrum. All 'patrons' of the Aspects are some sort of godly spirit, with them literally being called the 'Demi-Gods' of the wild, you can't act as they are just a simple niche spirit. They are forces of nature beyond the grasp of normal magic and can manipulate things on the level of lower 'gods' in other fantasy worlds. They aren't just nature spirits, or I wouldn't oppose it as such. I do not classify gods as the normal Abrahmic sense on LotC, for then they'd be accurately removed from the playerbase and seen as only concepts. What has happened with LotC is that these aengudaemon are seen as some strange mixmatch of Daedric Princes but their control and powerlevel are increased like 400x to what they should be. Aeriel literally controls all life and death, yet she is seen regularly in visions and 'talks' to her set followers, Xan is meant to be a pillar of justice and he's literally just spouted throughout lore to **** humans and have motives that are borderline that to a protagonist in an RPG. The horrid use of the Aengudaemon lore within LotC will ultimately cripple how this addition is viewed, because it may be great within your culture, but mages will investigate how to attack these Mani and stop them on a 'subatomic' level and things like that. It's the idea of everything being seen as a power source within LotC, anything that transcends the norm has attained some form of Godhood. My qualms with this lore-post are literally not the actual Mani. It's a strange thing to really explain, it's just the context that this'll be introduced and how it'll be implemented I believe will be flawed and will ruin such a concept that has potential. Backstories and history I believe should be barely recorded and hidden from common players, I believe that the formation of their own histories through roleplay is essential but that'll never happen. So this is the compromise, every cultural aspect and thing needs to be justified by a lore post or players will simply call it ****. I just want LotC to be orientated away from the necessity of needing these supernatural/godlike beings contacting players like its nothing through events. It shatters any semblance of understanding or the ability to form characters that aren't shallow. It gets difficult to have a character for more than a year when they experience multiple gods coming down, destroying things, gods being killed and people constantly talking about the grander universe because they read it in a forum post. As I've said, I'm not completely bashing your attempts at cultural lore and my rejection of it is just seen as an angry rant to most people. I just wish things like this would not have to be orientated towards the set standard enforced through years of SupremacyOps and Tsuyose tier lore validation, I don't want to see a cultural concept like this ruined, like most things this server does.

Fairly sure @Tsuyose actually has the sword tbh on his horen

I'm sure you were waiting for my post about why I absolutely despise the idea of this. I don't mind if it's swept under the rug or anything but I'd like to share the idea of why any lore like this is a very dangerous slope towards how lotc functions fundamentally. I understand that shamanism allows the use of "spirits", but do so on a contained level that doesn't normally break the immersion and environment. Most go within the spirit realm to encounter this, and this is where I find the biggest flaw within the lore. When you grant a playerbase anything in regards to godly creatures or boons, what happens is the immense abuse of them by LT/ET for those within such a culture. Summoning a demigod should be near impossible and godly things should be completely incomprehensible, but they're all common knowledge and shrugged at on lotc which is a lame concept in itself. Broadening the interactions to beyond druids is also a big red herring for people to be diverted from the problem with the entire concept, it's written to be interactable but I can assure you that it'll never happen to anyone bar druids. With this, those redlines and drawbacks will never be followed by both players and the staff running such events. I trust the ET/LT with doing nothing but ./spawn zombie 20 at this point and granting them more abilities to mess around with universal forces is just dismal. You've seen how the fae creatures were ruined by players and their influence, you've seen how ferals were ruined by them, a lore piece orientated around damn Mani. Why will this be any different? What are the actual benefits to this clarification being added, when Flamboyant himself mentioned his distaste for the idea of summoning Mani in the first place. There should be no need to interact with gods, there should be no pressure to have to worship something that can be legitimised and shown in roleplay because it "imbues" the culture. If other cultures can thrive without representation, I'm sure the dominion can survive without being able to summon demigods. I can't even **** on the contents because it's not written poorly, I do like the idea of animalist extensions of the aspects and I believe it should just stay as a cultural belief. Have people interpret other animals as their representatives, or even just believe individual princes and whatever the druid wishes to orientate his thinking toward. You do not need lore posts to justify your culture, I thought the Supremacyops style of writing had disappeared until I saw the map lore and the self inserts of culture scattered throughout the last few years while having a foothold in the LT.

might submit my Alchemy werewolf rewrite at this point tbh

Why do gods and giant spirits need to be constantly played, it's bad enough these were written in to literally legitimize your culture and now you want to reinforce the fact you can summon and roleplay with those various spirits. Why can't things just be beyond descendant capability for once, why is nothing a goddamn mystery. I guarantee this will be eventually abused and all aspects of it will be ruined by the druid playerbase in a few months tops.

imagine giving druids ANOTHER thing to ruin

I wish I was as cool as the Lord of Creation.